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What kind of ladders do the power line companies use?
What kind of ladders to the power line companies use? Doesn't matter. The electric company isn't hanging on the outside of a building that's on fire.
The San Franciso Fire Department makes its own wooden ladders by hand
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Re: The San Franciso Fire Department makes its own wooden ladders by hand
#122There's an old saying among firefighters: "The fire service is 200+ years of tradition, unimpeded by progress". Now obviously that isn't strictly true, and SF does have some good reasons for sticking with their wooden ladders... but one can't help but suspect that sheer tradition is a somewhat significant factor. Of course some departments adopt change faster than others, and some kinds of change are adopted more rea…
> one can't help but suspect that sheer tradition is a somewhat significant factor Only if you didn't read the article. "There's a city-specific reason why San Francisco has stuck with wood rather than swap over to metals, and the answer lies in looking up. The high-voltage cables and wires that guide the city's (oft-maligned) public transport system Muni, and trolley cars crisscross above nearly every street, mean t…
Re: The San Franciso Fire Department makes its own wooden ladders by hand
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fiberglass, probably. Which is what SF should be doing.
How does fiberglass stand to high heat?
This is actually a great case where asbestos shines. It's nonconductive and can stand very high temperatures. If not for the whole cancer thing.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
a retired police officer once told me that the quantity of officers citywide goes through a repeated cycle from low to high to low again. when the number of officers is too low and there's too much crime, the people demand that the government hire more. so government does that. and crime goes down. then the public notices all these police officers "doing nothing" and complains about wasted government resources. so, n…
This is a common phenomena, and I'm not sure if there's a general term for it. E.g. people prematurely stop taking antibiotics because they feel better, or people go off their meds because they feel fine, etc.
Re: The San Franciso Fire Department makes its own wooden ladders by hand
#126I can't think of any reason to acclimatize them this way instead of kiln drying/vaporizing them (depending) to roughly the right moisture content and waiting for 1% change (instead of kiln drying them to 0, or waiting forever for completely green wood) There are studies going back to the 70's by the forestry service (and others) showing there is no change in mechanical properties of pine/fir from these drying schedul…
The stockpile is "tiny" so I guess it doesn't really matter unless they are running low on material.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I must be maintaining the wrong systems, because over here 95% of the time is reacting to emergencies (some technical, but most fabricated by management)
First thing that came to my mind too! I've had two "Please call me, it's broke" calls just this morning!
Re: The San Franciso Fire Department makes its own wooden ladders by hand
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't say they weren't practical.
I mean, why would the shape change?
Modern materials are lighter and more stable, thus need less material, which gives more flexibility to move.
Also the tasks changed. These days there are less fires, but more kinds of "technical assistance" and when there is fire water usage is more targeted and restricted.
Re: The San Franciso Fire Department makes its own wooden ladders by hand
#129If you get a chance to visit a Smokejumper base, I highly recommend it. One of the things you learn is that everyone on the team is required to make all of their own equipment by hand. So all of these highly trained, ex-military guys spend days on end doing nothing but sewing clothes and packing parachutes. The reasons described: - Cheaper than contracting out everything - They have a better idea of the exact specifi…
It makes sense for a job where 95% of the time is spent waiting for an emergency to react to .
Re: The San Franciso Fire Department makes its own wooden ladders by hand
#130I can't think of any reason to acclimatize them this way instead of kiln drying/vaporizing them (depending) to roughly the right moisture content and waiting for 1% change (instead of kiln drying them to 0, or waiting forever for completely green wood) There are studies going back to the 70's by the forestry service (and others) showing there is no change in mechanical properties of pine/fir from these drying schedul…
A 50' 3x3" board would be twisted and bowed so much that the ladder would be a spiral staircase.
It doesn't matter for 20' 2x4 destined for a construction site.
Even if the wood was kiln dried, it would still have to acclimatizate for months or years before it would be at a stable 13% humidity of San Francisco.