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What industry has the highest revenue per employee?

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Re: What industry has the highest revenue per employee?

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For starters, the sudden loss of all modern computing would cripple oil extraction, transportation, and refining for years on end.

Would it? We transported as much oil in the 70s without "all modern computing". Faxing maybe...

> Would it?

Yes.

> We transported as much oil in the 70s without "all modern computing".

No, we didn't. Global production (and consumption) has close to doubled since 1970.

Also, "is this possible to do without computing?" and "would the sudden disappearance of modern computing seriously interrupt the way that we currently do this?" are very different questions.

Re: What industry has the highest revenue per employee?

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This is a pretty useless metric. It's really only used as a proxy to compare the value of similar companies in the same industry when no other data is available. You know what measures your economic value as an employee? Wages. Your value as an employee is that which is lost by removing you from the equation. If you can be replaced by virtually anyone, your value approaches zero.

This is ridiculous. Wages measure the cost of hiring you, not the value. If the economic value of employees were their wages, then there would be no profit.

Re: What industry has the highest revenue per employee?

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One item that I find potentially misleading is that, to my understanding, oil and gas companies outsource/subcontract a lot of the seasonal/irregular/less predictable work to third-parties. This means that these people aren't calculated in these numbers, but they generate a good chunk of the revenue. I could be wrong about that, but I used to work with Exxon and they talked about this - that the total employee base w…

In Europe, it is not easy to fire people. So hiring employees via detachment companies is also the norm for big companies.

Re: What industry has the highest revenue per employee?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it? We transported as much oil in the 70s without "all modern computing". Faxing maybe...

> Would it? Yes. > We transported as much oil in the 70s without "all modern computing". No, we didn't. Global production (and consumption) has close to doubled since 1970. Also, "is this possible to do without computing?" and "would the sudden disappearance of modern computing seriously interrupt the way that we currently do this?" are very different questions.

>No, we didn't. Global production (and consumption) has close to doubled since 1970.

Doubled is not that much to cover.

Besides did it double because of increased demand (more population, more developing nations, etc) and efficiencies in drilling (e.g. fracking or how it's called), or because of "modern computing"?

Re: What industry has the highest revenue per employee?

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would it? Yes. > We transported as much oil in the 70s without "all modern computing". No, we didn't. Global production (and consumption) has close to doubled since 1970. Also, "is this possible to do without computing?" and "would the sudden disappearance of modern computing seriously interrupt the way that we currently do this?" are very different questions.

> No, we didn't. Global production (and consumption) has close to doubled since 1970. Doubled is not that much to cover. Besides did it double because of increased demand (more population, more developing nations, etc) and efficiencies in drilling (e.g. fracking or how it's called), or because of "modern computing"?

Demand and production of oil are relatively coupled throughout history and both have stayed relatively flat in the west (with substantial caveats, below). So over the past 30 years, both were driven primarily by developing economies (on the demand side) and new oil discovery/extraction techniques (on the supply side).

> Besides did it double because of increased demand... or because of "modern computing"

My answer is basically "yes". The rest of my argument contains a lot of inter-related claims, so I'm going to number them to make things easier to follow.

But my fundamental claim is that modern computing played a large role on both the supply side and the demand side in the oil industry over the past 30 years.

1. Effect of computing on supply: Computing helped provide the steady flow of cheap oil.

1a. Computing enabled more efficient and more accurate discovery, driving down the price of extracting oil.

1b. Computing enabled new drilling techniques, driving down the price of extracting oil.

1c. Computing improved the efficiency of both old and new drilling techniques, driving down the price of extracting oil.

1d. Computing enabled improvements in refining, driving down the price of refining oil.

1e. Computing enabled improvements in predicting demand, decreasing the risks of destablizing cycles of under-production followed by glut.

2. Effect of computing on demand in developed economies: Computing helped decrease d(demand)/dt for oil in developed economies.

2a. Fuel efficiency in vehicles -- both planes and cars -- was driven in part by modern computing. Multiple mechanisms explain this: improved design (esp in the case of cars), more efficient usage (esp in the case of planes and plants), and efficiencies directly enabled by computing (esp in cars).

3. Effect of computing on demand in developing economies: Computing increased the rate of development.

3a. Indireclty: computing helped keep the price of oil more stable and lower than it would've been without computing (see: 1 and 2). Predictable and relatively lower prices enabled a faster rate development, which itself drove more demand. This cycle would've happened in any case, but by keeping prices lower and more stable, computing increased the rate of economic development inb these countries.

3b. Directly: In some of the most rapidly developing economies, development was directly driven by offshoring of IT/computing and especially of manufacturing related to IT/computing.

To conclude:

1. computing increased the availability and consistency of oil supply, driving down both volatility and prices (note: is is the subtle point. In the case of oil there's a feedback loop between supply and demand, so we have to consider prices for equal levels of demand in the real world vs. the hypothetical no computing world. The claim is that, when we fix the level of demand, prices are significantly lower than they would've been without computing. The claim is not that absolute prices are lower; I think without computing, demand would be significantly lower because large swaths of the world would be significantly less developed),

2. computing decreased the rate of growth in demand for oil in developing economies, allowing growth in supply to enable more rapid development in other economies, and

3. computing increased demand for oil by both directly and indirectly driving development.

None of this is to discount the role of other innovations: the spread of public health practices, vaccinations, the most recent wave of globalization, relative peace, decolonization, and so on all played major roles as well. My point is only that, without computing, the state of oil production and consumption would be substantially different with absolutely massive implications for all of the non-western world, and perhaps for the west as well.

Re: What industry has the highest revenue per employee?

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Why would that make more sense than profit per employee or (sub)contractor per hour if we’re trying to measure efficient use of human capital?

I meant employee in a general sense. Maybe "worker" is better?

Yes - sadly, companies are not required to publish the number of worker-hours per year.

Re: What industry has the highest revenue per employee?

#129

This is a pretty useless metric. It's really only used as a proxy to compare the value of similar companies in the same industry when no other data is available. You know what measures your economic value as an employee? Wages. Your value as an employee is that which is lost by removing you from the equation. If you can be replaced by virtually anyone, your value approaches zero.

This is ridiculous. Wages measure the cost of hiring you, not the value . If the economic value of employees were their wages, then there would be no profit.

The value of the firm is greater than the sum of its parts.

Re: What industry has the highest revenue per employee?

#130
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>they should be paid far more than software developers. They most likely are being paid more, when adjusting for cost of living. You can work on a rig making $100k a year in areas where $250k buys you a very nice 3500 SQ ft home with a big backyard. Something that would cost millions in SF, NYC, Seattle, etc.

True in general, but the cost of buying a house is a bad example. Most of that is the cost of the ground, and that doesn't depreciate. So when the developer walks away from the job and moves, they can settle down with millions. I is ttrue though for rent, food etc.

>they can settle down with millions

Yes, assuming an ever upward trend that never crashes. Which everyone should know by now will not likely be the case.

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