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Post by mikejholly »

slg wrote: post #96
mikejholly wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You also need to wear clothes and shoes into the polling station. Are those expenses considered poll taxes as well? Straw man, but requiring ID is not really a direct poll tax. I certainly don't feel like I'm being unreasonably taxed when I vote with my ID.

You are thinking of this as a person who already has a government issued ID. If you don't drive and don't travel internationally there isn't much in life that would require you go acquire a government issued ID. If the only reason you need the ID is to vote, many people who don't already have an ID won't vote.

This argument seems like grasping me to. How would one function in society at all without an ID? Opening a bank account, cashing a check, driving a car, visiting a doctor, taking a train or plane, going to court. These are all activities which require ID. Sure, there is a tiny fraction of people who can't engage in those activities. But how likely is it that those folks are going to be voting, anyhow?

I found this video pretty funny while searching around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day

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Post by hrktb »

jlmorton wrote: post #90
bschilke wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand the greatest vulnerability is modification of voter registration data. If you show up to vote and they don't have you in that district's voter rolls because your address was changed to another state, your vote has just been taken away.

If this is the case, it begs the question why voter registration data is directly connected to the Internet. Yes, we want to allow online registrations and modifications, but surely we could have a batch process to make changes to the canonical source, with a signed log of changes.

Could you clarify how you would see these batch data transfered outside of the internet ?

We are speaking of dispatching that data to every single voting stations, set in schools, small town offices, etc. Most "secure" solutions (private lines, central update and physical dispatch of the machines days before the elections, etc) seem difficult and/or crazy costly to me.

Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day

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Post by 086421357909764 »

foota wrote: post #66

Translation: 1 billion Brute Force ssh attempts rejected

So much this, yes i'm sure people were attempting to scan it up but I guarantee you could show the same for almost every network out there. I understand the fear mongering to a degree but its projecting things in the wrong place and it's almost like crying wolf.

Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day

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Post by erik_seaberg »

mikejholly wrote: post #121
slg wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are thinking of this as a person who already has a government issued ID. If you don't drive and don't travel internationally there isn't much in life that would require you go acquire a government issued ID. If the only reason you need the ID is to vote, many people who don't already have an ID won't vote.

This argument seems like grasping me to. How would one function in society at all without an ID? Opening a bank account, cashing a check, driving a car, visiting a doctor, taking a train or plane, going to court. These are all activities which require ID. Sure, there is a tiny fraction of people who can't engage in those activities. But how likely is it that those folks are going to be voting, anyhow? I found this vi…

Employers are legally required to check ID. Not sure about landlords or hotels but nearly all of them seem to.

Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day

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Post by kodablah »

squirrelicus wrote: post #94
rectang wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IDs are not issued automatically in the US; they take money and effort to acquire. Therefore as implemented in the US, voter IDs are a poll tax. Unsurprisingly, this makes voter ID a political issue: those who benefit from poll taxes support them, and those whose voters are suppressed by poll taxes oppose them.

I think it would be reasonable to create a national ID card system and fund it through taxes. It could replace driver licenses and social security cards. I do not know why it would be unreasonable to require such a card for voting. It could also serve as a PKI system with the govt acting as a CA (i.e. manage issuance and revocation). There are non zero benefits. And this doesn't have to operate like a poll tax. I don…

> I don't understand why this isn't already a thing. Seems obvious.

Because people don't want yet another mandatory way to be tracked by the government. It is especially opposed by those here illegally, their supporters, and others historically disenfranchised by more and more centralized requirements. Not everyone has driver's licenses or ssn cards. There are non-zero problems so what should be obvious is why some oppose even if you don't.

Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day

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Post by tzs »

mikejholly wrote: post #121
slg wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are thinking of this as a person who already has a government issued ID. If you don't drive and don't travel internationally there isn't much in life that would require you go acquire a government issued ID. If the only reason you need the ID is to vote, many people who don't already have an ID won't vote.

This argument seems like grasping me to. How would one function in society at all without an ID? Opening a bank account, cashing a check, driving a car, visiting a doctor, taking a train or plane, going to court. These are all activities which require ID. Sure, there is a tiny fraction of people who can't engage in those activities. But how likely is it that those folks are going to be voting, anyhow? I found this vi…

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/20...

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Post by fooker »

pessimizer wrote: post #79
fooker wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have to be. If online voting ever becomes widespread, there is a reasonable chance there will be more votes and referendums.

There would be a absurd cognitive overhead for people to have to study and prepare an opinion for as many votes as they have financial transactions. Every other productive activity in the US would grind to a halt.

Why would polls like :

Do you want a bridge built here? Yes, No, Don't Care.

be a cognitive overhead?

Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day

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Post by slg »

mikejholly wrote: post #121
slg wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are thinking of this as a person who already has a government issued ID. If you don't drive and don't travel internationally there isn't much in life that would require you go acquire a government issued ID. If the only reason you need the ID is to vote, many people who don't already have an ID won't vote.

This argument seems like grasping me to. How would one function in society at all without an ID? Opening a bank account, cashing a check, driving a car, visiting a doctor, taking a train or plane, going to court. These are all activities which require ID. Sure, there is a tiny fraction of people who can't engage in those activities. But how likely is it that those folks are going to be voting, anyhow? I found this vi…

An ID certainly makes those things easier, but a government issued photo ID is not actually required for any of them. Like I said in my original comment, the only things that absolutely require an ID are international travel and driving. If you do neither of those, then you might not have an ID.

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Post by chefkoch »

erentz wrote: post #28
jadedhacker wrote: post #24

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The first is a good idea, but the second is not. Voter ID cards are historically used to make it harder to vote and thus compromise elections. In person fraud is very uncommon, and it would be very difficult for a foreign government to pull off a large scale interference without being detected. After all, we struggle to get people to show up to vote once already! The idea of mass ballot fraud seems difficult to count…

Right. The hysteria around double or fraudulent voting is crazy. You’d need thousands of people doing it in most districts to have any impact, and that would get obvious really bloody quickly. I think this is a pretty good example of what I find to be the typical of an American practice of cutting off their own nose to spite their face. [1] Americans absolutely hate the idea of freeloaders or someone getting somethin…

>Americans absolutely hate the idea of freeloaders or someone getting something they don’t deserve that they would rather make everything in life more complicated, less efficient, and harder on everyone (including themselves) than allow a little bit of inefficiency in the system to be accepted as the trade off.

Except some dozend billions here and there at the military

Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day

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Post by cmurf »

I encourage all citizens who typically do not vote, to vote your conscience, and then lie. Already no one expects you to vote anyway, so just lie per their expectations and say you didn't vote. That way you don't have to justify or argue your choice any differently than you have in the past.

Yes it's a bit chicken s* but so f'n what? You don't actually owe anyone an explanation anyway, but you're entitled to vote. So just get on with it, and lie. Everyone is lying about something or other anyway and this kind of lie is pretty benign. And it's in the public good that you vote even if you don't like arguing about why you voted the way you did.

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