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4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by mikec3010 »

optimuspaul wrote: post #120
mikec3010 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Some thoughts" == the ones you (or most people) find offensive. So you keep repeating that and raising the censorship bar until nobody is offended anymore. And what you have is a whitewashed, sanitized forum with less creativity, originality, and free association. That's not what everyone wants. Some people want the uncensored version.

Don't mistake my comment as a call for censorship. It's a call for civility and decency. we can have creativity, originality and free association without hate, bigotry, and racism. Your straw men have no power here.

"A call for"..

How do you call for that on an unmoderated platform? Or do you think they should have a mod sit there and curate it for your tastes? Or automated software that keeps everything PC? I'm curious how "calling for " is in any way different than praying?

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by forgottenpass »

There was a time, a couple of decades ago, when trolls didn’t really exist online

To put this in context, Eternal September was in 93, and Slashdot was started in 97. But apparently moot imported trolls from Japan in the early 2000s?... or something? I didn't really bother trying to understand.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by fein »

Brakenshire wrote: post #82
fein wrote: post #49

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Understanding why it is that way would probably be more useful than trying to get brownie points for your signaling. It's like that because people with your outlook have deplatformed so much discourse that 4chan is the last bastion of a truly free exchange of ideas. Voat comes in a close second. Calling something bigoted and racist is just an attempt to deflect and ignore the conversation. Offending people is general…

You must really hate 4chan (or, at least, the racist boards there) if you expect this level of nuance and understanding in discussion. It's certainly not within a million miles of what /b/ or /pol/ extend to anyone else.

I spend most of my time on /pol/.

Best memes. /b/ has gone to shit in the last few years, /r9k/ can be hilarious although disturbing.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

qop wrote: post #118
tomatotomato37 wrote: post #110

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>4chan isn't selling your identity to data scientists That's actually questionable now since Hiroshima bought the site. Some weird scripts were added that were heavily obfuscated and killed the CSS if you didn't let them run. Luckily the innate computer paranoia of /g/ meant this was caught and worked around in less than a day, but it's still pretty sleazy. Also Google captcha is needed to post, so there are the stan…

A little ad-tracking here and there isn't necessarily foul play. Sleazy, sure. That's not the same as unfettered, cataclysmic access to tens of millions of users personal lives. I think what makes the Facebook thing so awful too is that people have a rather reasonable expectation that private things remain private, whereas the average 4chan user maintains some degree of privacy by merit of not identifying themselves.…

I think there was talk of the scripts actually running exploits, so they were more than a bit sleazy; that being said I believe they came with the new ads so it wasn't a conscious addition by the new owner as much as shitty ad companies

Overall though I believe most of the money comes from the 4chan pass system over whatever ads end up getting run

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by qop »

stats-then-now wrote: post #119
qop wrote: post #92

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I'm aware, thanks! :) Several reasons I don't use /g/: * I don't want to look at images. * I don't want to search for the threads I want, they should all be in one board, that's the whole point. * The fact that /prog/ was killed in the first place when a textboard like it couldn't POSSIBLY be accounting for much bandwidth anyways is proof enough that 4chan wanted to appeal to a wider range of users. I took the hint.…

world4ch had its own culture, but the lack of the Temporary Solution™ made it mostly noise and very very slow outside of spam. /prog/ was sometimes fun, but I could never really spend much time there before getting bored. There's only so many times you can see SICP snake and fizzbuzz haskell before getting tired of it. I'm sad the text boards are gone, but looking back after they went read-only I couldn't find much I…

I don't blame him for not dealing with it, I blame him for not fixing it with the https+captcha the rest of the site got.

I find some interesting stuff in the readonly. Fibonacci buttsort is always good, sicp stuff is nice to remember. Idk, it's a nice nostalgia for me.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by stats-then-now »

qop wrote: post #125
stats-then-now wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

world4ch had its own culture, but the lack of the Temporary Solution™ made it mostly noise and very very slow outside of spam. /prog/ was sometimes fun, but I could never really spend much time there before getting bored. There's only so many times you can see SICP snake and fizzbuzz haskell before getting tired of it. I'm sad the text boards are gone, but looking back after they went read-only I couldn't find much I…

I don't blame him for not dealing with it, I blame him for not fixing it with the https+captcha the rest of the site got. I find some interesting stuff in the readonly. Fibonacci buttsort is always good, sicp stuff is nice to remember. Idk, it's a nice nostalgia for me.

Fair enough, I can't say I don't wish he kept it.

That said given moot's nonexistent proficiency in PHP, he probably had enough things on his plate just keeping the site running, I can't imagine integrating recaptcha in the world4ch codebase would have been very fun..

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by kadenshep »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #113
kadenshep wrote: post #34

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Yeah, the author is just totally #triggered. Gay people are an abomination? That's just my opinion bro. Brown people definitely have lower IQ than white people; thems just the facts. Women are objectively inferior in every way but I can't get one because they love to date assholes, and not me, an intelligent nice guy who's definitely sane and well balanced. Stop being such a snowflake and support fuzzy peaches. Becau…

Why do people have to stop it from spreading? If it's so obviously wrong, then nobody will believe it anyway. Why do people need to be protected from "politically incorrect" viewpoints? I believe people aren't lemmings who must be steered towards the "right" ideology. I'd rather be exposed to everything, and I will choose what I want to believe on my own. These reactionary calls to ban speech you don't like just make…

> If it's so obviously wrong, then nobody will believe it anyway.

That's not objectively true. You have extremely obvious historical examples at your disposal that completely negate what you just said, assuming you've been exposed to some equivalency of U.S. middle school level world history. To provide some more immediate examples relevant to the rhetoric on /pol/, we face issues with people not vaccinating, believing in deep state conspiracy theories, etc. Don't even bother with that talking point because you're either just ignorant about what's being discussed or being disingenuous.

>These reactionary calls to ban speech you don't like just makes your own position seem weak.

No, it makes my position look sane and practical. That's kind of a dishonest statement to make. It's not because I don't like it, again, it's because the typoe of rhetortic on /pol/ (that is supported quantifiably by thread bumping and the frequency with which those talking points come up) is insane and antithetical to a decent, functioning society.

>Nothing is above debate.

Plenty of things are below the debate threshold. Everything I just listed being some examples of those.

>those people are the absolute minority

No they're not. Shit was so prevalent it caused some nutcase to storm a pizza place and threaten innocent pizza loving patrons.

In short, spare me the fuzzy peaches ("free speech") parade you're trying to put on. Because you know it's not an honest talking point and it certainly isn't a principle that leads to some higher plane of intellectual debate. It does quite the opposite.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by Density »

creaghpatr wrote: post #6
Shank wrote: post #3

> Yet this cannot last. At 15 years old, 4chan has reached adolescence. Up till now, trolls—children—have been in control. It’s not so funny anymore. After all, even the lost boys had to grow up. Just because one can write that it cannot last doesn't make it so. Putting 4chan in terms of "human age" and development does little to quantify anything. Facebook is 14 and Twitter is 12 and that doesn't say anything about…

The more facebook and twitter and youtube censor their users, the more gravity will shift to 4chan, it's the law of conservation of speech on the internet.

Yep! I'm one of the censorship refugees on /pol/.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by Density »

Brakenshire wrote: post #55
lainga wrote: post #28

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I got shades of the endless 2016-era "this means Trump is FINISHED" articles.

By any reasonable standards he should have been, the mistake was expecting reasonable standards.

You're so ridiculously out of touch thanks to lefty censorship, Jewish media and echo chambers.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by jimmies »

aspaceman wrote: post #95
deft wrote: post #88

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If you look at my comment history I've made this exact point about politics. I agree with you. 4chan as a whole isn't any more racist than any other forum. The boards are separated by topics just like reddit for example. My purpose behind my comment was simply saying if you avoid the parts you don't like (exactly how you do on the internet in general, stormfront is a thing), you don't experience that toxicity. I rare…

I see what you mean. But minorities always just "ignore it" - but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect them. It's how folks are frequently taught to cope. Even if you're staying in more of the "safe" boards, I imagine you're always worried that someone you're interacting with doesn't.

>But minorities always just "ignore it" - but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect them.

Everyone has to go to school, the park, etc, and I pay the same tax so having an environment that is pleasant for everyone is a required property. I can't ignore someone shouting to me insulting slurs for who I am. But no one has to go to 4chan, if someone feels offended they can just not visit it.

I would quote "Shit my dad says" on this: "Don't focus on the one guy who hates you. You don't go to the park and set your picnic down next to the only pile of dog shit."

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