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Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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Oh, cool. I can finally fix the bug/feature that whenever someone replied to an email from me they got warned about profanity because of my last name :-)

Could be worse: you could have graduated Summa cum laude and have the store refuse to put that on your graduation cake! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/05/2...

As long as you're not from Clitheroe or Scunthorpe

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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And when my email client doesn't fetch remote content, it will be a problem :) So maybe I'll be replying "Why did you send me an empty message?" And maybe some email list software will have the same problem.

But the email is readable, it has a link to a message online. It is not a change to the standard, since it's in the body, where you can write whatever you like. In fact, it's not even unprecedented, because Cisco has been offering this exact same type of system for years generally for PHI and other sensitive uses.

My bank send me a "Secure Cisco Message". That I think was In response to a web message support request. They didn't tell me in what form to accept the response.

It was a message with instructions to save the .html attachment to your hard drive and open it there. It included tons of obfuscated Javascript.

Without opening the message I replied back and told them "Nope. We're not going to communicate this way, this is irresponsible and dangerous."

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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May I have an off topic question? I know I read in an article that Cloudbleed woke you up like 1:23AM but I can't find that article any more and I used that to tell my junior developers to write code they can understand when they are woken at 1:23AM as you were. So the question is -- is this true or did I dream up something?

That is true. I woke to my phone ringing quickly followed by this exchange of messages: https://imgur.com/a/7aLLw22

I would love to read about this somewhere. I also share the grand-posters opinion that sharing these kinds of stories with less experienced developers is fantastic culture.

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

#124

Oh, cool. I can finally fix the bug/feature that whenever someone replied to an email from me they got warned about profanity because of my last name :-)

Could be worse: you could have graduated Summa cum laude and have the store refuse to put that on your graduation cake! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/05/2...

Clbuttic!

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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Or Email Connection! http://web.archive.org/web/19980212160741/http://www.email-c... edit: fix link

Or, if you lived in Eastern Europe, The Bat1[1] - and it is still actively supported! I switched to Opera Mail because it was convenient to have the browser and email client in one software (which is also freeware), but that went with the Chropera move. [1] https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/

The Bat was quite nice! I used it for a while but finally switched to the Japanese client "Becky Mail", ugly but quite functional. I still have some backups in a zip drive I should restore...

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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That is true. I woke to my phone ringing quickly followed by this exchange of messages: https://imgur.com/a/7aLLw22

I would love to read about this somewhere. I also share the grand-posters opinion that sharing these kinds of stories with less experienced developers is fantastic culture.

I've done two talks on Cloudbleed (at Virus Bulletin 2017 and at RSA 2018). I would be happy to do a talk about it again somewhere.

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

#127

Oh, cool. I can finally fix the bug/feature that whenever someone replied to an email from me they got warned about profanity because of my last name :-)

Hehe, to be completely fair with you the first time I came across your name I thought you were pulling a very long prank. But you don't get to choose your name. An architect in the Netherlands had 'Rothuizen' as his last name, which translates to 'Rotten houses', not the best name for an architect so he changed it to 'Rotshuizen', which translates as 'Houses built like rocks'. Much better :) In your case I wouldn't c…

Graham-Cumming: Graham and Cumming are both Scottish clan names.

Clan Cumming (or Comyn): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Cumming

Clan Graham: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Graham

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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POP3 is horribly inefficient and SNMP is a security disaster waiting to happen. At least POP3 isn’t widely used anymore.

Why is POP3 horribly inefficient? Lack of an equivalent to the IMAP COMPRESS extension?

POP3 is only efficient if you download all mail to the client and immediately remove it from the server. But nobody does that, everyone leaves their mail on the server. Then everytime you synchronize the server has to go through all the mail it has to see what you don’t have, which is very inefficient if you have 10000 mails in your inbox, like most people have these days.

It’s optimized for a usecase that doesn’t exist anymore and it will work in the usecase that does exist while wasting a lot of resources. Truly the worst you can have. It’d be better if it didn’t work at all.

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

#129

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But the email is readable, it has a link to a message online. It is not a change to the standard, since it's in the body, where you can write whatever you like. In fact, it's not even unprecedented, because Cisco has been offering this exact same type of system for years generally for PHI and other sensitive uses.

My bank send me a "Secure Cisco Message". That I think was In response to a web message support request. They didn't tell me in what form to accept the response. It was a message with instructions to save the .html attachment to your hard drive and open it there. It included tons of obfuscated Javascript. Without opening the message I replied back and told them "Nope. We're not going to communicate this way, this is…

Yep, they couldn't have made that message look more like phishing if they tried - including poor HTML formatting of the email body. This is how you really know that GPG has failed.

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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I would love to read about this somewhere. I also share the grand-posters opinion that sharing these kinds of stories with less experienced developers is fantastic culture.

I've done two talks on Cloudbleed (at Virus Bulletin 2017 and at RSA 2018). I would be happy to do a talk about it again somewhere.

Looks like they just put your RSA talk online: https://youtu.be/hojAgTsTeCA
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