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Re: Make front end shit again

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I agree with the sentiment of this site. I have an nginx proxy set up for personal stuff, and the home page was done in an homage to GeoCities: https://brucewillis.sexy/ Eventually I will get midi music playing correctly with mouse-tails.

The .sexy domains are rich with great simple sites. Like this site of Richard Stallman: http://rms.sexy SFW

Patiently waiting for someone to register jeffgoldblum.sexy, which is available...

The possibilities are endless.

Re: Make front end shit again

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post #106

I had a few moments to work on tko (knockout 4) this morning and I just have to say how happy I am with the ko methodology. Not to knock (pardon the put) any of the more recent forays into js/web-ux , but holy smokes I’m satisfied with ko and excited about its future.

ko was a pretty sane view engine back in the day, though their constructor pattern advocated in the docs will drive mem usage through the roof... but still Best and Sanderson are great devs. If you like ko, be sure to check out vue, you will feel right at home.

Re: Make front end shit again

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It already is shit? Web 1.0 was peak internet, when creativity was alive before normies and corporations started making every website 200MB of ad-loading javascript.

Peak internet was August 31, 1993.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

Re: Make front end shit again

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post #94

Oh boy, it's a bit far fetched if not downright cynical (or maybe I'm oversensitive and this was not meant to be a response to people who cry about minute long cached webpack compile times or megabytes of angular payloads). Frontend complexity went through the roof in the last ten years and compared to desktop software (not geocities) our developer tools and end results are not that great (ymmv). But that's just my p…

It seems like it has gone through the roof in just the last three or four years. I believe the added tools & complexity is an overwhelming negative in nearly all instances, unless you're building at hyperscale (which very few are). I keep seeing things like dental groups spending a lot of money to rebuild their sites in React for absolutely no good reason, it's all a big joke.

I've been doing full stack development for two decades essentially non-stop, and I detest the new era of front end. I'm learning Go instead of anything more to do with front end. I put a bunch of time into Vue and React; the effect it has had, is to push me to banish those from what I build and pursue increased simplicity instead: JS minimalism.

I'm rather in love with Go. It's simple, small, very easy to pick up, and extremely fast. It actually reduced complexity and made speed & power more accessible rather than less, the exact opposite of what's going on in front end (which is adding complexity and bloat). I blame it on the dramatic speed-up in JavaScript, the front end junk will keep expanding in bloat perpetually until it fills in the speed gains. It reminds me of the joke, about Andy Grove providing the increased transistor counts and Bill Gates figuring out new ways to waste them.

Re: Make front end shit again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you add jquery to a list containing "blink" on a page with CRT monitors and animated GIFs? Let me guess, you have a negative opinion about jquery, that all anyone needs is vue.js

jquery is a technology that has mostly outlived its usefulness, much like the others on the list.

It's not a "technology" it's a library, and still very useful, found on millions of sites old and new. Has a vast ecosystem of free plugins with extensive documented support and very diverse browser support.

Also he put "HTML" on the list, you're saying that has outlived its usefulness?

Re: Make front end shit again

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Hey! I made this dumb thing! Yes, the fact that it's made with vue and stuff is on porpuse, I wanted to make it with reasonml but didn't have any time so ended up with vue. The point is that we complicate so many shit today that is not needed Have fun and I will add some marquee tags!

I'm surprised. I'm running uMatrix and block all js by default. Still, my mouse pointer got changed into a spaceship. How does this work?

Re: Make front end shit again

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People never stopped making fun stuff on the web, it just doesn’t have the same 90s web aesthetic or artisanal handcrafted bespoke raw HTML/CSS/JS the author is nostalgic for, and there’s so much more content now that it gets drowned out.

Re: Make front end shit again

#129

I love the point the site is trying to make but I'm confused as to why this is built with a vue.js static site generator requiring node/npm/yarn and an almost 7,000 line yarn.lock file. Shouldn't this literally be a single page, hand-built HTML file with inline CSS? Is this trying to be self-ironic or something?

See author’s response in thread.

Re: Make front end shit again

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you add jquery to a list containing "blink" on a page with CRT monitors and animated GIFs? Let me guess, you have a negative opinion about jquery, that all anyone needs is vue.js

well with javascript itself maturing, many are starting to believe jquery is no longer needed. Plus, it was the first real framework back in the day. When I think old internet, I think pre-jquery, but I guess I am getting old. We still use jquery at work...

A lot of people still use jquery at work. Regardless of improvements in javascript for DOM manipulation, Jquery is not just about that.
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