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Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by wolco »

product50 wrote: post #112
nkkollaw wrote: post #106

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I don't know if Facebook's influence hasn't been reduced already, and how many users it actually has. I still have an account for instance, but I log in only once/mo. and keep it solely for the API keys. My friends seem to be a little less active then 10 years ago, as well.

Don't relate your experience to everyone else's. My friends are more active than ever on FB today for instance. Also, FB revenue and users are increasing - which indicates they are not seeing any downturn like what you are talking about here.

More active? Really?

The number of facebook user accounts never goes down with new bots getting accounts constantly but people activty logging in and sharing, posting or caring is down.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by ben_w »

eitally wrote: post #97
lolc wrote: post #93

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I can't delete my account with Google without detriment.

Your employer will agree to their terms on your behalf, and if you are not comfortable with either that process or the terms, you are welcome to terminate your employment. This is no different from companies accepting ToS/EULA from any other technology vendor. FWIW, Google's commercial terms are not the same as consumer terms ... again, like every other software vendor.

> you are welcome to terminate your employment.

That fails the test:

> Consent should not be regarded as freely given if the data subject has no genuine or free choice or is unable to refuse or withdraw consent without detriment.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by germainelol »

panarky wrote: post #101

The screens will not give Facebook users the option to hit "decline." Instead, they will guide users to either "accept and continue" or "manage data setting." Also known as "Hobson's Choice": a free choice in which only one thing is offered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice Naturally the vast majority will just click through and accept the defaults. But what if a small number does not? Could Facebook s…

I think they're already losing their influence. As people mentioned already, many people have their accounts but simply don't use them anymore. I only use it for keeping in touch with some friends via Messenger these days, and where possible I try to just use WhatsApp/Telegram for that anyway. Some of the most active people I see on my news feed are actually my relatives in their 40s-50s+ or early teens. I guess these people are just discovering the world of social media, whereas the people that have grown up with Facebook don't see the use it in anymore.

Even outside of me and my friends, I mostly just hear of people using it to connect directly with people, like joining some Facebook groups for specific discussions.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by [deleted] »

downandout wrote: post #68
Sir_Substance wrote: post #66

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response to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16870636 This thread is now too deep for me to respond to your comment. "The reach of GDPR is broad but is not unlimited. The mere fact that a U.S.-based website can be accessed in the EEA isn’t enough. If the company does not have a physical presence in the EEA, it must be determined whether that company engages in more than incidental contact with EEA residents." Th…

The experts that I talked to in this space in deciding to close my sites to EU IPs have all said that the GDPR probably doesn't apply to incidental traffic - especially if someone is actively trying to hide the fact that they are in a GDPR area. But nobody can guarantee a single thing, because it's so broadly written and is up for unique interpretations in each of dozens of foreign countries. It meets the very defini…

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Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by perl4ever »

ben_w wrote: post #122
eitally wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your employer will agree to their terms on your behalf, and if you are not comfortable with either that process or the terms, you are welcome to terminate your employment. This is no different from companies accepting ToS/EULA from any other technology vendor. FWIW, Google's commercial terms are not the same as consumer terms ... again, like every other software vendor.

> you are welcome to terminate your employment. That fails the test: > Consent should not be regarded as freely given if the data subject has no genuine or free choice or is unable to refuse or withdraw consent without detriment.

I suspect "genuine" and "free" are terms of art. Not to mention "detriment". Reading it with common sense in mind may not be productive.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by username223 »

Guest9812398 wrote: post #32
SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #18

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Why can't ads be relevant to the content of the page like they used to be in the good old days? As an example of stupid targeted ads: I bought a Casper mattress a couple of months ago and pretty much every single ad I've seen since then (on devices where I don't have them blocked) has been for mattresses. How many mattresses does the internet think I need? If I'm reading about something on the internet it's generally…

I see these all the time too. 1. I bought one of those spinning face brushes for my girlfriend. A few minutes after purchasing online, I started seeing advertisements from that same store, for the same exact brush. Literally 90% of the page views were showing that advertisement. 2. I was browsing Airbnb accommodation for a trip to let's say Mexico. I was checking apartments on and off for weeks. I didn't see any Airb…

Maybe it's optimizing for the wrong thing. Maybe the goal of targeted advertising is to find the people who were about to buy something anyways, shove an ad for it in front of them just in time, and take a cut[1]:

> Our results indicate that more sophisticated targeting algorithms might not gain, and might even harm, the advertiser as those seeing the ad would convert in the absence of advertising.

There are a bunch of ad-tech people on this site; maybe some of them could chime in and share how many more sales they make using total surveillance versus basic keyword-in-page.

[1] https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=7020000840130690...

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by product50 »

wolco wrote: post #121
product50 wrote: post #112

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Don't relate your experience to everyone else's. My friends are more active than ever on FB today for instance. Also, FB revenue and users are increasing - which indicates they are not seeing any downturn like what you are talking about here.

More active? Really? The number of facebook user accounts never goes down with new bots getting accounts constantly but people activty logging in and sharing, posting or caring is down.

Yes - more active.

You are suffering from confirmation bias at this point. What data apart, apart from your anecdotal experience, do you have which shows that sharing and caring about FB post is down?

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by grogenaut »

product50 wrote: post #128
wolco wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More active? Really? The number of facebook user accounts never goes down with new bots getting accounts constantly but people activty logging in and sharing, posting or caring is down.

Yes - more active. You are suffering from confirmation bias at this point. What data apart, apart from your anecdotal experience, do you have which shows that sharing and caring about FB post is down?

What data, apart from your anecdotal data, shows that sharing and caring about FB post is up?

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by polskibus »

gowld wrote: post #45
craftyguy wrote: post #34

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The article isn't "Independent to ask everyone to accept being tracked".

bottom of the page says: > We use cookies to enhance your visit to our site and to bring you advertisements that might interest you. Read our Privacy and Cookie Policies to find out more.

This is not gdpr compliant, it's just the old cookie EU consent.
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