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GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by jononor »

bhaavan wrote: post #3

So still no GTK3? I think when GTK4 is released in a few months, it would be a good time to move to GTK3 as they can still be outdated. I know I am being a bit bitter for an open source project with less funding, but GIMP was supposed to be a poster boy GTK application in the first place.

The challenge for GIMP is that it exposes a lot of GTK in its API, which is used by lots of 3rd-party plugins. All which will break when moving from GTK2 to GTK3.

At the same time there is an ongoing transition to use GEGL as the pixel manipulation API, which eventually plugins also need to be updated for.

2.10 is the release which provides all the new APIs for plugins to use, so they can start updating (but existing code will work). 3.0 will then remove the old pixel manipulation APIs, and also transition to GTK3+.

This hopefully keeps the burden on plugin devs to a minimum, and keep the compatibility clear for users (plugins for GIMP2 dont work on GIMP3, and vica versa).

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by prokoudine »

nkkollaw wrote: post #8
userbinator wrote: post #4

A new Dashboard dock helps with monitoring GIMP’s resource usage to keep things in check, allowing you to make more educated decisions about various configuration options. That looks so ridiculous and out-of-place in an image editing program. If it weren't for the left side, you'd think it was Visual Studio! https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/MSDNBlogsFS/p...

You did and will keep getting downvoted (like my comment below about GIMP's usability will), but you're absolutely right. This is another case where developers decide what's cool, and of course pick features that are cool to them, not their users. Not once in my life would I ever think I'm missing that feature in GIMP.

The feature was developed to help identifying bottlenecks in how GIMP uses cache. It was added to make GIMP faster. Do you want GIMP to be slower?

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by prokoudine »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #104
lovelearning wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's with the entitlement here? These are people sacrificing their time and going largely unpaid (AFAIK) for their efforts. I for one am happy and grateful that these "dodgy" open source evangelists exist and offer us all a choice for free. If I have a subjective usability problem with their software, far more constructive to take the effort to try and fix it myself than complain like a diva.

What's with the entitlement in thinking that something being open source means its above criticism? Further, people have tried to get usability fixes into GIMP, and been shot down, as "that's not what the project wants to do."

"Further, people have tried to get usability fixes into GIMP, and been shot down"

Just gimme the facts, please.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by prokoudine »

nkkollaw wrote: post #6

Downvote all you want--I know open source can't handle criticism, but as much as I want to love GIMP, it's completely unusable. First, it's still in GTK2 so on my monitor it looks zoomed out at 50%. Then, the UI is the least intuitive thing I've ever seen. To resize and move a layer takes 4 times the steps compared to Pinta (or of course Photoshop). Shortcuts are the weirdest thing, completely different compared to a…

"To resize and move a layer takes 4 times the steps compared to Pinta"

It does? Let's check.

1. Select a layer in Layers dock. 2. Shift+T for Scale tool 3. Drag to scale, press Enter to confirm 4. M for Move tool 5. Move

Please educate me how to make that 4 times faster with Pinta.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by aorth »

yoz-y wrote: post #29

GIMP was the first advanced image editor I have used. I grew quite fond of it and its tools. Nowadays I have moved away from it because it does not play well with macOS, but still return to it when I am on a Linux box. For me, GIMP has always excelled in making simple actions simple. Even today I am quite surprised that other software has not taken some of the ideas for interface that gimp has. Mainly: - The selectio…

I'm not a heavy GIMP user, but I've found that the macOS builds from Partha's Place work better than those from GIMP's website. They are compiled from the development source every few months.

https://www.partha.com/

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by prokoudine »

fvdessen wrote: post #37
epidemian wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe i'm an outlier, but with zero prior experience in image editing software, i've found GIMP UI much more approachable than Photoshop. With PS i felt that the UI was much more tailored to experts or at least to people that knew what they were doing, whereas with GIMP i found the UI to be more beginner-friendly and discoverable. So yeah, YMMV. What a shocker! :) > Downvote all you want--I know open source can't han…

> Do you genuinely think that the GIMP developers don't want or don't try to make it usable or to improve it as much as they can? Ten years ago they made a call to artists to find out what they could improve, then didn't like the feedback they got and told the artists they were wrong. I guess that's how they got such a user hostile reputation.

"Ten years ago they made a call to artists to find out what they could improve, then didn't like the feedback they got and told the artists they were wrong."

You won't be able to prove this claim, because you made that up :)

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by prokoudine »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #107
epidemian wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe i'm an outlier, but with zero prior experience in image editing software, i've found GIMP UI much more approachable than Photoshop. With PS i felt that the UI was much more tailored to experts or at least to people that knew what they were doing, whereas with GIMP i found the UI to be more beginner-friendly and discoverable. So yeah, YMMV. What a shocker! :) > Downvote all you want--I know open source can't han…

"Do you genuinely think that the GIMP developers don't want or don't try to make it usable or to improve it as much as they can?" Their actions and statements really lead us to conclude as much, yes.

"Their actions and statements really lead us to conclude as much, yes."

Facts, please.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by prokoudine »

nkkollaw wrote: post #83
epidemian wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe i'm an outlier, but with zero prior experience in image editing software, i've found GIMP UI much more approachable than Photoshop. With PS i felt that the UI was much more tailored to experts or at least to people that knew what they were doing, whereas with GIMP i found the UI to be more beginner-friendly and discoverable. So yeah, YMMV. What a shocker! :) > Downvote all you want--I know open source can't han…

> I'm intrigued by this. Do you genuinely think that the GIMP developers don't want or don't try to make it usable or to improve it as much as they can Yes. They focus on features _they_ care about, not what users care about. The features announced in this release are good proof of that, but if you look in a comment below there's a first-hand experience of how GIMP's developers are annoyed by usability and the fact t…

"Yes. They focus on features _they_ care about, not what users care about. The features announced in this release are good proof of that"

I feel almost sorry about wasting my time replying you, because you can't even read the first two paragraphs in the release notes.

2.10 rc1 is not about new fancy features, it's about fixing a shit ton of bugs and adding stuff that improves reporting bugs and making GIMP more stable and responsive. Try wrapping your head around that.

"but if you look in a comment below there's a first-hand experience of how GIMP's developers are annoyed by usability and the fact that users would want a more usable software."

It looks made up :)

Edit: formatting

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by prokoudine »

davidy123 wrote: post #36
Joeboy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When was this? I remember getting a similar impression like a decade or so ago but I think now GIMP definitely has devs that are interested in usability. And usability has certainly improved in the last few years, although it still has some serious annoyances (for my workflow / taste).

Close to a decade ago. But I haven't noticed any usability improvements. I feel like the time spent with GIMP was time wasted compared to other software where I could easily get what I needed done yet progressively gained aptitude for productivity and creativity. vim for example supports this. This is not to completely slam GIMP, it can be fine for software to demand users learn it deeply before doing simple things (…

"Close to a decade ago."

We started working with Peter Sikking, professional UX architect, around 2006. He departed three years ago or so.

That puts your claim roughly in the time when Pete was extremely active and wrote several functional specs that were implemented to make UI better.

Now tell me, do you feel like you remember 10 years old stuff correctly after several beers?

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by app4soft »

yoz-y wrote: post #29

GIMP was the first advanced image editor I have used. I grew quite fond of it and its tools. Nowadays I have moved away from it because it does not play well with macOS, but still return to it when I am on a Linux box. For me, GIMP has always excelled in making simple actions simple. Even today I am quite surprised that other software has not taken some of the ideas for interface that gimp has. Mainly: - The selectio…

> - The selection tool is just miles ahead any of the software I have used. It makes the crop tool obsolete and every time I have to switch modes just to resize my previous rectangular selection I long for it.

Did you ever try mtPaint[0]? It has such selection feature too

> - Resizing and clipping layers is dead simple. Other programs I have used have no "clip to selection" on layers and I have never understood why.

In mtPaint just select rectangle and click "Delete" button ;-)

[0] https://github.com/matyler/mtPaint

[1] http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/handbook/en_GB/chap_04.html

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