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Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by astronautjones »

roenxi wrote: post #95
astronautjones wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, CA was willfully stoking hate in its audience with hateful propaganda, and the Obama campaign literally did not do that. There is no equivalency

You've piqued my interest with this comment because, read literally, you seem to be against hate. Hating isn't illegal, immoral or even necessarily a bad idea. Hate can be justified. Hate is dangerous in politics as is any strong emotion . Trying to hold a country together demands compromise, which in turn requires moderation. Facebook is empowering mass surveillance and propaganda, and encourages outrage and knee-je…

I agree with all of the above, and I'm not saying that what they did is illegal (for that reason - though IMO it was illegal through election laws). I'm saying it's not useful to claim "Obama's campaign did the same" when these guys were bragging about creating divisive, bigoted, violent content and aiming them at a susceptible audience. [1]

[1] https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cHYYHF...

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by mirimir »

Kelbit wrote: post #84
mirimir wrote: post #25

> ... Facebook's de facto anonymity ... Facebook does a pretty good job of authentication, at least for nontechnical users, who are arguably the majority. If you sign up using VPN services or Tor, you get nagged for a mobile number for text verification. So Facebook either knows your IP address or mobile number. I don't consider that "de facto anonymity". Now if you're skilled, and willing to invest some time and mon…

Mobile number checks are almost trivial to circumvent - you can get a DID with SMS capability from a VOIP provider for under a buck, just use it once and throw it away.

Thanks, good tip. However, the last time I looked at VoIP providers, they wanted to know who I was. Or at least, they wanted a credit/debit card. But maybe things have changed. And I am an amateur.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by _audakel »

sunir wrote: post #47
dictum wrote: post #7

(Warning: controversial and conspiratorial opinion; fake news if you will) I used to think Zuckerberg's pandering to the Chinese government was a power grab, an expansionist desire. Now I think it's a hedge strategy. He knows he's not very welcome in some of the circles he's been in for the past few years.

Moderators: please remove

Why?

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by anonnel »

boojums wrote: post #119
anonnel wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB is far from being a victim of lions or a carcass. If the metaphor you are trying to paint is a struggle is between Journalism Media and Social Media, I totally disagree with the side you’re picking.

I believe delhanty was referring to the general public as the wildebeest.

Oh I see. That makes more sense. (Oof, that moment you realize that you are the wildebeest carcass in a metaphor)

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by _jgvg »

nemothekid wrote: post #38
sverige wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

I'm struggling to understand why people keep bringing up the Obama comparison. At the start of the 2016 elections everyone , Sanders, Clinton, Jeb!, Trump were doing what Obama did in 2012. The outrage isn't soley in the fact that the CA campaign used FB data. 1. CA obtained the data illicitly and tried to cover up the fact they had used it, and downplay how many users they had reached. 2. CA used the data to intenti…

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Post by f2n »

mistermann wrote: post #105
colordrops wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think most of the outraged public understand the nuanced differences between the two? The reason the public is outraged is because of an engineered campaign by Trump's enemies.

Do we even have much evidence that the public is outraged?

I mean, it's hard to judge, but things like [1] generally suggest that to some degree, yes

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/21/technology/users-abandon-...

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by WheelsAtLarge »

"Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire." Unfortunately, yes he does. It's called time. Act like you're changing things, do a little change, the least the better, and wait it out. People will bitch about it but eventually, it becomes the new normal. Even if FB fails, which it won't, there's another social network right after it.

But I hope I'm wrong.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by apengwin »

jonmc12 wrote: post #128

> dreams.. "..we're closing the main Facebook app and web site.." I think a better dream would be if FB open-sourced an advertisement-free Facebook, and provided $1B in grants to build permutations of the UI that all sync data.

Why would they have any incentive to do that?

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Post by knodi »

jayess wrote: post #57
frostburg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a damage control talking point, see Wikileaks (which at this point is basically a Russian propaganda mouthpiece) immediately suggesting it.

Sorta like making everything you disagree with Russian?

Not everything but Wikileaks for sure.
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