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Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by bitL »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #102
bitL wrote: post #87

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If you want to fight it, tag them as wrong persons to mess up their training dataset. I am sure they would love that! :) Maybe even start a Facebook group "False positives" where people would do this for fun and to "stick it to the man" lol

I'm sure they're on the lookout for that, as well. If they have enough confidence in their model, I'm sure they'd raise an eyebrow at something that only has 30% confidence, say "thanks", and then simply flag my account to not be trusted to train their models.

That still sounds like win. If it gets momentum, they won't be able to recognize any new additions due to them being not trusted. Physique changes significantly roughly every 10 years as well, so if all they have are outdated photos... OK, Deep Reinforcement Learning might be used on reconstructed 3D models from younger photos to simulate aging process, but it might not be very accurate even if looking very realistic.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by jacquesm »

kelnos wrote: post #117
jacquesm wrote: post #54

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Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

I find that a little bit sad. Both of my parents have passed away (fairly young), and they were somewhat camera-shy when they were alive (not for the same reasons you are, but the result is the same). I have barely a handful of photos of them, and that's often a source of disappointment and sadness for me. I get that rampant data collection is unacceptable, and companies are terribly poor stewards of our personal dat…

There are plenty of pictures of me, just not online.

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Post by alanfalcon »

tyfon wrote: post #92
jacquesm wrote: post #54

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Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

I'm getting severe anxiety from having a camera pointed at me since this all Facebook stuff started and people posted pictures online. Needless to say, I don't have an account there. I also take off the moment I see a camera unless the shooter in advance ask me if it's ok and they agree to not put it online. Unfortunately I can't do anything about CCTV but that's not posted online at least. It's to the point where I…

It’s a shame Hyperface has been delayed. I honestly look forward to the day when you see cyberpunks walking around with these on their faces and you can instantly recognize a kindred spirit, if not the identity of same.

https://ahprojects.com/projects/hyperface/

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by cryptoz »

bfred_it wrote: post #120
cryptoz wrote: post #109

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Was it a push notification? Or did you have to open the app to see it? It's silent unless there was a proactive message to you from Facebook that your face will start to be recognized. This facial recognition happens even when you're not using the app. So Facebook is waiting for you to take action before telling you anything. That is not proactive, it is silent. What if you don't go on Facebook any more but have an a…

They warned me that they activated it, so it wasn't silent , it was just opt-out (not that it's particularly better, but let's use non-clickbait terms)

It may be silent for some people and you're intentionally ignoring that. For someone who has an account but does not regularly log in, this change is silent. Yes, you saw the message, but that was by chance. Many others will have this feature silently enabled without their knowledge.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by craigsmansion »

bitL wrote: post #87
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #73

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Anecdotal, but years ago I uploaded a picture of a friend. He's a bit of a hermit, and doesn't have social media accounts. The picture scrolled by several times that week, and Facebook asked me to tag who this was. (This was perhaps... 2010?) I uploaded perhaps twenty or so photos, but that was the only one they asked about. I haven't seen this for a while, but I used to get my friends pictures scrolling by. (Not eve…

If you want to fight it, tag them as wrong persons to mess up their training dataset. I am sure they would love that! :) Maybe even start a Facebook group "False positives" where people would do this for fun and to "stick it to the man" lol

If you want to fight it: don't use Facebook!

No matter how much an individual thinks they're resisting or messing with the system, they're not. The only way to win is to not participate.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by eschulz »

khedoros1 wrote: post #71
web007 wrote: post #31

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I have to assume that this UX is intentionally awful: Go to Settings. Go to More. Tap Privacy Shortcuts. Tap More Settings. Tap Face Recognition. Tap Do you want Facebook to be able to recognize you in photos and videos? Select No if you don't want to let Facebook recognize you in photos and videos. Also, this set of steps doesn't work on the desktop browser. I don't see More or Privacy Shortcuts in My Settings, only…

I can click the little arrow, go to settings, and there's a "Face Recognition" entry in the sidebar, between "Language" and "Notifications". This is on the desktop website. Sounds like it's hidden deeper if you visit from a phone?

Yes, but for me instead of "Face Recognition" it's under "Timeline and Tagging Settings", and then it's the third suggestion under "Tagging".

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by badwolf »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #102
bitL wrote: post #87

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If you want to fight it, tag them as wrong persons to mess up their training dataset. I am sure they would love that! :) Maybe even start a Facebook group "False positives" where people would do this for fun and to "stick it to the man" lol

I'm sure they're on the lookout for that, as well. If they have enough confidence in their model, I'm sure they'd raise an eyebrow at something that only has 30% confidence, say "thanks", and then simply flag my account to not be trusted to train their models.

Similarly to "suggested edits" for pages/businesses. You have an accuracy score as an editor based on how many of your suggested edits get accepted/approved.

I'd be willing to bet my hat that they have a similar scoring for approving suggested tags - don't click them/ignore them complete for a few days and you'll probably start seeing that suggesting a lot less.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by wpietri »

kilotaras wrote: post #110
electrograv wrote: post #52

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Usually these systems are implemented via a generic face detector that first runs on the whole image, to locate all the faces that are present. After the faces are located, they’re matched against a set of candidates (which I would guess is an enumeration if all your Nth order friends [who don’t opt out of this], to reduce computational complexity). This isn’t the only possible way to do it, but I believe it’s the mo…

> After the faces are located, they’re matched against a set of candidates (which I would guess is an enumeration if all your Nth order friends [who don’t opt out of this], to reduce computational complexity. Face recognition is usually done by first transforming the face into vector space and than looking for the closest vector from known, e.g. openface[1] (which is based on google 2015 paper "FaceNet: A Unified Emb…

Wouldn't the betterness of using friend networks being reduced false positives? Facebook has 2 billion MAU, which means they have a lot of faces. Filtering down to the 50k or so that are close to you means it's much easier to find the right person, rather than a similar stranger.
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