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New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by will_hughes »

rjmunro wrote: post #103
bambax wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rest of the world should retaliate. (...) EDIT: That was a knee-jerk reaction. Sorry about that.

I think they should only retaliate on US officials (elected and who work for DHS). Ask them to reveal passwords to national secrets when they enter the country, then detain them for hours when they refuse. The general population should be welcomed with open arms - retaliation on them achieves nothing. It's not their fault.

> I think they should only retaliate on US officials (elected and who work for DHS). Ask them to reveal passwords to national secrets when they enter the country, then detain them for hours when they refuse.

Unfortunately I don't think this will do what you expect - they'll probably happily hand over their password.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by will_hughes »

iovrthoughtthis wrote: post #115
tehlike wrote: post #6

This should serve as a reminder to everyone to donate/support EFF and ACLU, as two of the very few organizations that watches for our rights. It is also a reminder that as we get more numb to issues like this, it gets worse. It is probably time to call your representatives and raise your voice.

Doesn't matter how much you push the button at the crossing it shows the green light when it was programmed to, regardless of you. If you want to cross you either need to wait until the appropriate time as dictated or you need to risk your well being and cross the road.

Wrong thread?

Also, it may be true where you are, but it's not universally true. I know the cycle and timing of the lights near my home, and I keep getting frustrated by people who don't press the button and now I need to press it, and wait an extra cycle.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by xxs »

cesarb wrote: post #80
netsharc wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the decoy, or as the main OS? I suppose disconnecting the SATA-cable would make the hdd/sdd invisible to the system...

> I suppose disconnecting the SATA-cable would make the hdd/sdd invisible to the system... On a laptop? All laptops I've seen have the hard disk plugged directly into the motherboard, with no cables in between. Having a SATA cable is more of a desktop thing.

Weird, I do have exactly the opposite experience, incl. a bay for a second SDD (on a gaming laptop/workstation one). Ability to replace an old HDD with SDD on a 6y old laptop... and then replace the optical drive with another HDD (just for the storage)

Perhaps nowadays it's the norm to have it all soldered in but I'd just not buy such.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by jsoc815 »

rtpg wrote: post #10

Have there been any court rulings that limit searches at the border at all? Are there any lines at all upon which we can rely on? Even a tiny exception to the "4th ammendment exception" might allow for crafting safer transit.

Not to my knowledge. One is subject to search within 100 miles of the border, not just at the border. You might want to search around Arstechnica for some of their past stories on this issue. They've been writing about this for years.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by scalesolved »

tallanvor wrote: post #37
b6 wrote: post #12

Absolutely not. Having lived outside the US for two years (so far), I halfway expect to encounter suspicion when I return. I absolutely will not stand for this. I will not cooperate and I will resist as much as possible, short of violence.

As someone who has been living overseas for over 11 years, I can honestly say that US border control and TSA have the most unprofessional and disrespectful employees I've encountered in my travels. It's unlikely they'll ask to check your electronics unless they suspect you've been someplace like Syria, Iraq, etc., but nevertheless they'll look for any reason at all to question you as if you're a criminal. If foreign…

I'm missing my right hand, on my first visit to the US since 1994 (as a child) I was asked to scan my hand. I politely tried to tell the agent that I'd have to scan my left hand and he started shouting at me without looking at me.

Each time I uttered anything he'd just randomly shout for me to comply, after about the fourth time he looked up and ordered me to use my left hand.

Absolutely bizarre experience.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by xxs »

tunareter wrote: post #35
rimliu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and good luck ever getting an ESTA or Visa in future Would you want one after this anyway?

Maybe your employer has offices there. Maybe you have relatives there. Maybe you have clients there. Or conferences, or other professional events. Maybe you are even resident there.

Even the Museum of Natural History in New York is a good attraction. There is no need to consider the US horrid or anything alike based on the ridiculous border policy.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by belorn »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #117
sgift wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The general population should be welcomed with open arms - retaliation on them achieves nothing. It's not their fault. Last time I checked the US had elections, so yes, it pretty much is their fault.

Last time I checked and voted, the US Election system was rigged. Due to political gerrymandering and a conservative media brainwashing machine, even when the country casts 2 million more votes for a president, she is not the one to win.

No candidate since 2001 (or possible even before then) had a political platform which wanted to dismantle the practice of DHS. No politicians see the issue as a vote winner. Red or blue, the DHS funding and policy scope has been steadily increased by each administration.

The blame can not be placed on any recent administration or person. The problem is a systemic issue, deriving from the constantly increased demands of "increased security" from the population on both side of the political fence.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by infodroid »

bambax wrote: post #99
jimnotgym wrote: post #18

I don't know if it worries my American chums, but I won't visit the USA. As a foreign tourist bringing money into your economy I feel there is a very real risk to my privacy and increasingly my person. I am beginning to favour goods and services from EU where human rights still mean something. Perhaps it doesn't matter to you how the US is perceived overseas, perhaps you don't want my money. Perhaps you don't mind be…

The rest of the world should retaliate. (...) EDIT: That was a knee-jerk reaction. Sorry about that.

Retaliating against the US assumes that the rest of the world doesn't want the same powers that the DHS now has, which is unrealistic I think.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by gsnedders »

gingericha wrote: post #116
Teichopsia wrote: post #45

Is this only for people entering the country or does it also apply to those in transit?

It's my understanding that a lot of US airports don't have an international-only terminal where people in transit wouldn't have to first go through customs & immigration. Quick google search brought me here: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-i10702-k10297825-Do...

No airport does; you are required to clear the US border to connect. There's not such thing as a transit passenger in the US.
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