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Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by MBCook » Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 2:25 AM UTC

tpush wrote: post #107

MBCook wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In both cases they’re complying with the laws. The data may be stored with a Chinese company but it’s still encrypted isn’t it? They can’t read it can they?

Third sentence from the artice: "They include a clause that both Apple and the Chinese firm will have access to all data stored on iCloud.". If the Chinese firm couldn't read the data access would be pretty pointless me thinks.

I’d agree, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not true. I could see Apple trying to keep certain data encrypted in private in exchange for other less important data being “open“.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by chatmasta » Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 4:31 AM UTC

stcredzero wrote: post #120

chatmasta wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not as long as payments go through the current financial system. If you’re using a US credit card, with a US billing address, to transact with a company, then you are “US registered” regardless of where your packets are routed. Until it’s possible/mainstream to decouple identity from payment, your payment method will always be the weakest link.

Are you presuming that most of the internet will be paywalled by then?

To be fair I was speaking more about iCloud and the App Store (which is “the Internet” to many people) than I was the wider internet.

To answer your question... I hope not. But perhaps we are already there. Boiling frog etc.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by kome » Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 10:48 AM UTC

cromwellian wrote: post #119

kome wrote: post #118

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> Even before the Chinese government got protectionist, US firms had trouble competing in China. lol.

Might be better to actually post a rebuttal.

Chinese government before being protectionist it was communist and closed: there never was a period without protectionism in China. Chinese economy has always been fully regulated, especially in the 90s. In other words, there is not much sense in your post, and it signals you don't know what you are talking about…

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by cromwellian » Wed, Jan 17, 2018, 12:35 PM UTC

kome wrote: post #123

cromwellian wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be better to actually post a rebuttal.

Chinese government before being protectionist it was communist and closed: there never was a period without protectionism in China. Chinese economy has always been fully regulated, especially in the 90s. In other words, there is not much sense in your post, and it signals you don't know what you are talking about…

Either-or fallacy. The regulations before proscribed levels of ownership, joint venture requirements, and contraband goods but direct Chinese interference to limit outside interference and benefit local competition have grown a lot worse under Xi compared with Hu and Jiang. Prior to that, China had no choice but to accept FDI join ventures, so for example, that’s why you see lots of Chinese manufactured Fords, Buick’s, Audis, and Volvos driving around. Once they have mastered building quality cars, then they’ll impose quotas and other rules to try and encourage buying local companies over joint ventures.

There was a time when Western companies were flying under the radar during the first half of Hu’s term allowing JV market share to expand significantly.

China’s economy hasn’t been communist since Mao.