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Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by pjmlp » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:22 PM UTC

bpye wrote: post #102

pjmlp wrote: post #73

> As of today, the new XPS 13 developer edition is available online in Europe in the following countries: > UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, France, Italy, Spain, Switzerland (French and German), Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Denmark Yet another company that doesn't want my money.

> Beyond the thirteen countries above, there is a much longer list of countries where the 9370 is available offline. (I’ll be posting this list in the next few days.)

Yes I saw that, but I don't expect it to be any different from earlier models, meaning I still won't see it on sale.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by Koshkin » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:23 PM UTC

ReverseCold wrote: post #89

ythn wrote: post #3

I've had so many problems with my XPS 13 that I bought in 2016 that I will never buy another one. Killer WiFi card was utter crap, laptop has issues going to sleep and waking up when closing the lid (sometimes it would hang on the the dell screen when trying to wake up and never recover), etc. Purely anecdotal, but a hard pass for me. Lenovo is my new laptop brand of choice.

On most laptops you can swap the killer WiFi card for an Intel one using a screwdriver and 15 minutes. Drivers also "just work" on all three relevant desktop OS for the Intel chipset.

Your other advice on this page was to cover the logo on the lid with a sticker... [Here's my advice: pick a different laptop - there's quite a few good ones to choose from.]

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by ebbv » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:23 PM UTC

nkkollaw wrote: post #118

ebbv wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I learned to code in the era of 3:2 displays, and I don't miss them. I never code using the full width of my display. If your lines are that long you have issues. I also don't really need any more vertical space. On my 15" laptop and my 27" display I can see plenty of code at once. Having a few more lines on the top of bottom would not magically alleviate the need to scroll. I'm all for people using the tools that su…

> The reason 16:9 displays are now common is not because of movies. When they came on the scene most people said "Wow this is nice." What's so nice about them (besides of course for movies)? Most content consumed on computers is textual (websites?), so why would you have something wider than taller?

I just answered that in the comment you're replying to. Let me itemize it for you and add another one:

    - I don't need more vertical space, it won't alleviate the need to scroll.
    - I can put two nicely sized windows side by side and say, watch a scrolling log file while writing code or working in a terminal.
    - My desk is wide, having wide monitors makes good use of the space available without needing as many monitors. If I had square monitors I would need 3 of them, instead I only need two 27" monitors to make good use of my desk space.

Again, my main point was not that I'm right and the other guy is wrong. My point is that it is personal preference and both are viable depending on what you prefer.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by Tade0 » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:24 PM UTC

torgard wrote: post #98

Max 8gb for regular display... I mean, who uses touch screens for development? I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be helpful for me. Maybe when doing work in Illustrator and Photoshop, but I usually use a different machine for that anyhow, because of Adobe's lack of Linux support. I don't want to pay for something I won't use. I am otherwise actively looking for a laptop. System76 does not have European…

> I mean, who uses touch screens for development?

Not touch screens per se, but I was considering the XPS on the basis that the screen is sure to be more rugged than a regular one.

My problem is that every laptop I had eventually developed these white pressure spots on the screen.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by drb91 » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:26 PM UTC

IdontRememberIt wrote: post #30

Why is it said to be for developpers and have a 16/9 screen?! Is Apple the only one to understand dev needs (screen needs at least)?

Not everyone dislikes 16:9. I find 3:2 to be much more awkward at displaying buffers side by side. It also makes testing screen sizes more of a pain. Maybe not frame it as an obvious negative to “dev needs”, whatever those are?

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:26 PM UTC

derekp7 wrote: post #113

torgard wrote: post #98

Max 8gb for regular display... I mean, who uses touch screens for development? I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be helpful for me. Maybe when doing work in Illustrator and Photoshop, but I usually use a different machine for that anyhow, because of Adobe's lack of Linux support. I don't want to pay for something I won't use. I am otherwise actively looking for a laptop. System76 does not have European…

The main reason for putting touch screens on laptops is that Windows 8 - 10 have an interface that is designed to be tablet friendly, at the expense of being desktop friendly. So it is easier to do an occasional touch gesture to do certain things. Also, things like kinetic scrolling is easier with touch. With a mouse, you have to click the button, move the mouse, then unclick while the mouse is sill moving. Much easi…

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Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by jsjohnst » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:27 PM UTC

ascendantlogic wrote: post #11

Only 16 gigs of RAM? Why do companies still hold that limit in 2018? I was hoping for 32 gigs back in 2015.

> Why do companies still hold that limit in 2018?

The reason is Intel. Intel chipsets don’t support >16gb of ram with the LP variants of DIMMS virtually all laptop makers use.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by LeifCarrotson » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:28 PM UTC

cptskippy wrote: post #54

FBISurveillance wrote: post #27

IMO, it does not make sense to buy any of those new models: whether it's Dell, HP, or else--before we see models with 32Gb of RAM. It's been told here over and over since 2016 when first Touchbar MacBook got released. It's 2018 and all of us, including manufacturers, are locked with 16GB of RAM and those upgrades look like a joke. Within last month I noticed myötähäpeä when someone asks me for laptop advice. Hopefull…

Most vendors are looking to prolong battery life and increasing RAM will do the exact opposite. Most software is still 32 bit and can't take advantage of the added memory. Even apps that can still don't really need that much. Workloads requiring gobs are RAM are niche and 8GBs works well for most people. My personal server with 16GB of RAM runs at around 48% utilization hosting 16 sites, multiple databases, a transco…

Two 32-bit apps on a 64 bit operating system (and everyone is running a 64-bit OS now) can each use 4 GB of physical RAM. They're each in virtualized address spaces.

A typical example of a workload that would use more RAM would be a bunch of big Excel documents open, a couple Chrome windows each with a bunch of tabs, Outlook and a chat app running in the background, and a profession-specific app like Visual Studio, Labview, Photoshop, Quickbooks, Solidworks, or whatever your specific job requires. Which represents just about every use case there is. This results in a consistent 70% usage on the 16 GB desktops across our office...and also about 90% usage on the older 8 GB machines.

Like Parkinson's Law for computers, apps expand to use the computing power available to them. And if you want this machine to be usable 2-4 years down the road, you should desire the possibility of increasing to 32 GB.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by BlackjackCF » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:29 PM UTC

scorown wrote: post #56

My first Dell as developer machine is XPS 15 9560 but it is in no way a developer machine: - The thunderbolt dock wire out and laptop USB C are on opposite hands. I have to place my laptop on top of the dock like a giant book resting on a brick. - Awful coil whine on the power adapter. - Touchpad is annoying to use when clicking moves the finger resulting in wrong place click. - Had to replace Killer wifi card with I…

I bought the 9560 as my home dev machine. I still vastly prefer my MBP 2015, but this actually was the closest I've ever felt any sort of satisfaction for a non-MBP laptop.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by saycheese » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 8:30 PM UTC

nkkollaw wrote: post #91

saycheese wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not seeing a major difference between 3:2 and 16:9 aspect ratio displays, what am I missing? http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-lx100/z-lx10...

Huge difference. If you're in a country where they sell the Surface Book, go take a look and you'll immediately notice that there is a _lot_ more vertical space.

Did you even look at the graphic I linked to? If so, there’s no need to “go look” at anything, since that graphic very clearly shows there’s not a major difference.