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Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The point of a to-do list (or reminder in Google Calendar) is that it's constantly staring at you until you actually complete it. It sounds like you're using one-off calendar entries. I'm not suggesting that "try not having ADD", just suggesting you use mechanisms to remind you to do stuff that are persistent and thus work. No offense, but from what you're saying, it's pretty clear you don't understand how ADHD wor…

How does a persistent in-your-face reminder that does not go away until completed fail? I suppose severe procrastination or complete lack of willpower would do it, but are these not different from ADHD?

No, those are often core problems in ADHD. This is (much of) what it means to have poor executive function.

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I wanted to share my experience with Adderall. I've been taking it for about 2 months now. Some backstory.

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was about 12. I never had an issue focusing in school. I never had any challenges completing my school work and would always complete it before everyone else. I would then get bored and fidget. It got to the point where it was a distraction to others and was brought to my parents' attention. I was then diagnosed with ADHD. I was never given any formal treatment, instead placed in a Gifted program with more intensive work.

I have been running my own businesses and consulting pretty much since I graduated high school. I am now 25. Things were going pretty good, except for one thing, deadlines. I struggled actually focusing and completing work. It got to the point where I could be working in my office for 12 hours straight and not actually get anything done.

The other major part of it is how it affects my relationships, especially with my SO. We can be holding a conversation and I can completely zone out for minutes at a time and not have any clue what she said because I was in my own head thinking. It is stressful because it gives the impression that I don't care what she is saying, but in reality I have limited to no control over it. This is common from others I speak with who have ADHD.

I have tried every management system in the book. None of it helped. I eventually tried Modafinil (I see a few people mentioned it here). I ultimately stopped taking it because I didn't like how it made me feel (restlessness and appetite loss) and I didn't get immense boosts to concentration.

I eventually decided that I may want to try Adderall. My doctor was suggesting that I may want to try something for over a year, but I resisted. In my mind Adderall was prescription meth and would "rot my brain". I would be come addicted and it would ruin my life.

But things just kept getting worse. My business keeps growing, and so are my responsibilities and deadlines, but I was really struggling to keep up. Finally, I decided to open my mind to taking something like Adderall.

After discussing it with my Doctor he alleviated most of my concerns. Ritalin and subsequently Adderall have been prescribed for almost 70 years and he has been prescribing them for decades without seeing "brain rot", withdraw, or anything like that long-term. After more research and discussing it with colleagues I decided to take it. Here are my thoughts and observations 2 months in.

* It's not addictive. I take it 1-2x a day when working, and not on weekends. I skipped 5 days of doses over Christmas without feeling the need to take it.

* Tolerance. You will get a euphoric effect the first 1-2x you take it, then you don't anymore. You still get the concentration benefits and that doesn't wear off over time - according to my doctor. I don't feel the need to increase dosages.

* It has a propensity for abuse. Basically people taking it to stay up for days at a time to study for exams... I can see where people would have the urge to do so, though I do not.

* It helps me concentrate. While it's not a magic solution to all of my problems, it makes it easier for me to be able to work and continue working for a long period of time. My productivity the past to months have been more than I ever have in the past 5 years.

* It lowers your appetite. I feel like I perpetually ate 30 minutes ago. I need to consciously decide to eat, which I do. * It gives me dry mouth. This is annoying, no matter how much I drink.

* It can affect sleep. To counteract this I take mine when I first wake up, then at 12pm I take either a full dose, half dose, or nothing depending on my day.

TLDR: It has helped me improve the quality of my life with no real negative effects. If Adderall continues to do so, I will continue to take it.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The point of a to-do list (or reminder in Google Calendar) is that it's constantly staring at you until you actually complete it. It sounds like you're using one-off calendar entries. I'm not suggesting that "try not having ADD", just suggesting you use mechanisms to remind you to do stuff that are persistent and thus work. No offense, but from what you're saying, it's pretty clear you don't understand how ADHD wor…

How does a persistent in-your-face reminder that does not go away until completed fail? I suppose severe procrastination or complete lack of willpower would do it, but are these not different from ADHD?

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Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

#124
post #39

Anyone here had luck with some kind of alternative treatment?

QBC (quercitin/bromelain/vitamin c) seems to have a very good effect on my attention span, ability to concentrate, anxiety levels, etc. However it does not go well with coffee, I get a "speedy" feeling I don't like. So unfortunately I don't take this supplement as much as I would like, because I love coffee so much.

Other nutritional remedies can be found in "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" by Balch.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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post #49

Any other managers notice that workers on Adderall will spend enormous amounts of time on totally non-productive or completely unrelated tasks?

I noticed this in college. My adderall-using friends and roommates would take a pill to study for a test, and sometimes that's exactly what they'd do. But sometimes they'd obsessively clean their room or get into a Wikipedia editing war or corner someone and talk their ear off about a pet topic.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article doesn't really describe it being "abused," just perhaps too "easy" of an option for some who really could "just try harder". (By "easy" I mean prescribed or requested with the "sure why not" attitude without reviewing the side-effects which the author lays out pretty plainly.) I don't find the sports analogy very compelling. We watch sports for the competition and the idea that the results are a combinati…

The article talks about people's careers being stymied, or people losing promotions to, colleagues whose attention span is longer because they're abusing Adderall. That's the intro. > The human brain wasn’t built for accounting or software engineering. A few lucky people can do these things ten hours a day, every day, with a smile. The rest of us start fidgeting and checking our cell phone somewhere around the thirty…

Sports is a zero-sum game. Productive labor is not. The mathematician Paul Erdos used amphetamines to make many major breakthroughs. This was a great benefit for society, regardless of whether he perhaps took a professorship that some less productive mathematician would otherwise have obtained.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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post #98

"We could still have a principled definition of ADHD. It would be something like “People below the 5th percentile in ability to concentrate, as measured by this test.” Instead, we use the DSM, which advises us to diagnose people with ADHD if they say they have at least five symptoms from a list. " I'm in Germany and I've been diagnosed with ADHD-PI lately (I am in my 30s) after seeing a private specialist about this…

I am also from Germany, but moved to the US for work. I am 29. Recently someone suggested to me I might have ADHD. After learning more about it, I had a feeling that many adults with ADHD have: I suddenly felt like my life story made sense. People below the 5th percentile in ability to concentrate, as measured by this test. My health insurance made me take a CPT test and it indicated that I don't have ADHD. This mean…

1. Are you finding "approximately 5th percentile in the population" somewhere in the DSM, or did you make it up?

2. This is no longer considered true; see any of the recent research on adult ADHD.

The last two are obviously good ideas, but they don't really winnow down the pool very much.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I get that we are discussing ADHD here, but you could have at least read the next sentence: > Adderall doesn’t “cure” the “disease” of ADHD, at least not in the same way penicillin cures syphilis. Adderall will give everyone better concentration, and we’ve judged that it’s okay for people with terrible concentration to use it to overcome their handicap, but not okay for people with already-fine concentration…

I read it - the tone of the paragraph is that it's not really medication, but something like caffeine which you can give to everyone and it'll have the same effect. It doesn't work like that. The dose I take would make a non-ADHD person into an obsessive hyper-focused teeth-grinding mess, but it basically just makes me normal. Adderall is real medicine which cures a real problem.

"The dose I take would make a non-ADHD person into an obsessive hyper-focused teeth-grinding mess, but it basically just makes me normal. Adderall is real medicine which cures a real problem."

I believe you, but couldn't you equally say "The dose of human growth hormone I take would turn a non-Chronic-Shortness-Syndrome person into a freakish giant, but it basically just makes me normal"?

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