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Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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Re: Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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>"[..] the situation in Russia, and lots of people getting the information from government channels [..]" It's not only people getting the information from government. I have spoken to Russians living in the European Union, that don't support the current Russian government, and there is an agreement that the current situation is better that the 90's , that they frequently describe like the "wild west". This is, I thi…

>>"[..] the situation in Russia, and lots of people getting the information from government channels [..]" > It's not only people getting the information from government. Getting the majority of information through government media is widely known as not necessary to having the populace think exactly how the government wants it to. In fact, an independent/private media can be more pro government than a government sta…

>Look no further than the united states and make a very simple exercice: pick a random media of just any political stance, pick a random foreign policy or national security topic and count the number of times you dont see gospel of the state department.

That's simply not true. Take any international issue and look at the mainstream media and you will find lots of debate. To take just one example, in the run-up to the Iraq War, there were many well-known voices both for and against it.

I may be wrong, but I am guessing you know this perfectly well, and are trying to mislead people for some political or ideological motive.

Re: Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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I'd really like to read more Chinese-from-China views on this kind of article. Although the content of the article scares me personally, it would be interesting to have more of a discourse about more plausible reasons why this kind of surveillance is "good" from a genuine different perspective. One mistake the Chinese govt makes is never explaining themselves in a plausible way so it always comes across as Orwellian.…

> I'd really like to read more Chinese-from-China views on this kind of article. Note that this level of surveillance is not pervasive throughout the rest of China; this is about a region populated by non-Han Chinese (Uyghurs, a who are Muslim and speak a Turkic language); most han residents are colonists. The Chinese language is the official one but is not spoken at home by most people there. The central government…

|> I have zero connection to any side (not Chinese, not turkic, not muslim, buddhist, whatever).But your information source is limited to English world, which favors separatists over the other side.

|> Note that this level of surveillance is not pervasive throughout the rest of China; this is about a region populated by non-Han Chinese (Uyghurs, a who are Muslim and speak a Turkic language); most han residents are colonists.Hah? Xinjiang was founded after the extinction of Dzungar people who were mongolians. Most han and manchu residents in Xinjiang are desendants of military migrants of Qing dynasty. The Nothern half of Xinjiang had never been populated by Uyghurs and although the Uyghur population has been expanding much more rapidly than other ethinics in Xinjiang, they are NOT the owner of the entire Xinjiang. Please stop repeating these disgusting FAKE claims.

|> the government and newspapers describe it as an integral part of China with a terrorist separatist movement no different from, for example ...They're terrorists. You're a terrorist defender. Pure and simple. Attacking innocent people to attain certain political influnce is the essense of terrorism. I've been fed up by your kind of takiyah and abuse of political correctness.

|> all muslims are evil terrorists It's not true given the Hui muslim in China get many many privileges over Han and other ethnic minorities. One of the most important PRC founding fathers, Zhou Enlai, is a desendant of muslim as his niece recently disclosed. The PRC ethnic and religion policy framework was set up by Zhou Enlai. The Xinjiang problem was sparked by Zhou's wife Deng Yinchao in 1980s. The CCP censoring departments are established and controlled by Hui muslim CCP leaders according to the Criminal Law Act 250/251 (which was set up by a Hui imam in 1997).

In fact, many atheist and agnostic people are fearing the rapid islamization of China society, especially the legal/eductional sectors and the hatred the Hui CCP leaders showing towards Han and other secular ethinic groups.

In conclution, you know NOTHING about the REAL China. Han people don't have the proprotional ruling power and influence over the CCP elites with respect to the population scale. Keeping China as an integral nation is the responsibility of the PRC government, not the duty of common Han people. It's Hui wumaos who have been yelling to nuke Taiwan.

REPEAT AGAIN: Zhou Enlai was a Hui deceived as Han and set up a lot of laws against so called "Han chauvinism". This month alone there are two legal cases sentenced 2 Han people into jail for humiliating respectful historical ethnic figures.

Downvote me as you wish. Given the twisted information the English media keep spreading, I won't be surprised there'll be a civilization collision between West and East, beneficial to all muslims, if one day the Han people fight back the islamization led by those Hui CCP elites.

Great civilizations never fail to rising challengers but always fail to their own arrogance and ignorance.

Re: Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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post #98

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> I'd really like to read more Chinese-from-China views on this kind of article. Note that this level of surveillance is not pervasive throughout the rest of China; this is about a region populated by non-Han Chinese (Uyghurs, a who are Muslim and speak a Turkic language); most han residents are colonists. The Chinese language is the official one but is not spoken at home by most people there. The central government…

|> I have zero connection to any side (not Chinese, not turkic, not muslim, buddhist, whatever). But your information source is limited to English world, which favors separatists over the other side. |> Note that this level of surveillance is not pervasive throughout the rest of China; this is about a region populated by non-Han Chinese (Uyghurs, a who are Muslim and speak a Turkic language); most han residents are c…

wow your post reeks of nationalism...

Re: Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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If you're browsing with Firefox, the "Bypass Paywalls" Add-on is really neat. No further workarounds necessary. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bypasspaywall...

Presumably publications like the WSJ know about these bypasses and tolerate them unlike the The UK Daily Telegraph which doesn't for its 'premium' articles. However how is using them on a regular basis not fraudulent?

If I were a regular WSJ reader, I'd subscribe, but I'm only reading the occasional WSJ article that's linked here on HN. Having the Add-On bypass it is more convenient than using the FB redirect snipplet and that's about it. If the WSJ doesn't want any non-subscribers to read their articles, then it's on them not to provide exceptions (FB referrer).

For me, it boils down to reading between 1-3 WSJ articles a month by bypassing the paywall or reading none at all if they don't allow me to, since I don't consider the consumption worth the price (which includes handing over data to a US corporation) I'd have to pay. That money is better spent on a local news outlet that provides me with news I consider more relevant to myself.

Re: Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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post #52

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American beliefs about their freedom are just that - BELIEFS. The underlying implication ALWAYS is the Chinese and Singaporeans or whoever can't think for themselves about what is good for their societies and therefore need American moral guidance and leadership. This is the same tactic the British/French/Spanish etc used to justify colonization. They needed a reason cause by the 18th century, most of the local popul…

Oh really, just beliefs? Is it merely my "belief" that I can publicly criticize our government in whatever way I want (short of threats) without fear of government reprisal? Is it merely my belief that no transaction with any bureaucracy, government or otherwise, has ever required me to pay a bribe, and that being asked for one would be offensive and probably just inconceivable to any American? Your defense of author…

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Re: Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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post #98

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> I'd really like to read more Chinese-from-China views on this kind of article. Note that this level of surveillance is not pervasive throughout the rest of China; this is about a region populated by non-Han Chinese (Uyghurs, a who are Muslim and speak a Turkic language); most han residents are colonists. The Chinese language is the official one but is not spoken at home by most people there. The central government…

|> I have zero connection to any side (not Chinese, not turkic, not muslim, buddhist, whatever). But your information source is limited to English world, which favors separatists over the other side. |> Note that this level of surveillance is not pervasive throughout the rest of China; this is about a region populated by non-Han Chinese (Uyghurs, a who are Muslim and speak a Turkic language); most han residents are c…

> But your information source is limited to English world

Thanks for letting me know I only speak English; I’ll be sure to tell my non-English-speaking relatives that I’ve been speaking to them in English all these years rather than their various languages.

Re: Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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Oh really, just beliefs? Is it merely my "belief" that I can publicly criticize our government in whatever way I want (short of threats) without fear of government reprisal? Is it merely my belief that no transaction with any bureaucracy, government or otherwise, has ever required me to pay a bribe, and that being asked for one would be offensive and probably just inconceivable to any American? Your defense of author…

You would also worry about be shoot when you walk on the street at night. You would also worry be bombed when you attend some concert, taking subway. Yes, you have your choice, and the other people also have their choice.

There are some places in the U.S. where the violent crime rate is high by international standards. I've been to some of them, and while I'm happy (and fortunate) not to live there, I've never been afraid of being shot. Not even at night.

Your mention of the concert thing made me laugh. No, I'm not worried about being bombed at a concert. I'm far more likely to be struck by lightning.

I understand the necessity of safety. But safety is not incompatible with freedom from state oppression, and it's beyond tragic that so many people let their governments convince them that it is.

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How many people killed by extremists in the US last year? Are you suggesting that US should increase their security to the same level as China (and implement a police state) to avoid more extremists death?

You should talk to the relatives who killed by those terrorist. You wouldn't feel the pain as you still alive

You should talk to the relatives of dissidents killed by the government.

See how this game works once we start depending on emotional appeals?

Re: Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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I'd rather be watched by surveillance camera than killed by extremists. How about you? It is inevitable; before 911 there was almost no security check in airports. Boarding was not too much difference than shopping in Walmart. This is one kind of insurance: most time accident is not happening, but when it happens it can be deadly. Life consists of compromises. Some are unavoidable.

How many people killed by extremists in the US last year? Are you suggesting that US should increase their security to the same level as China (and implement a police state) to avoid more extremists death?

Have you ever been to China?

You can walk 24/7 in any city in China without worrying your safety.

Tell me you dare to walk midnight in downtown New York or LA or Chicago.

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