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Post by LyndsySimon »

reaperducer wrote: post #116
zamalek wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why your God only sent his prophet to earth? The main schools of thought are that Jesus is unique to Earth (there are explanations as to why, such as Earth being the only sinful planet), Jesus has existed in one way or another on every planet with sapient life (this is viewed as heretical by the church) or that the same Jesus visits multiple planets. Some of these religions do not believe that the messiah (there ha…

> The main schools of thought are that Jesus is unique to Earth Citation needed. The Roman Catholic Church (certainly a "main school of thought") is on record as saying it's certainly possible that Jesus visited other planets, if there is life on those planets. The Catholic Church's astronomers, philosophers, and theologians have been on the record for more than half a century as saying that intelligent life on other…

The RCC has also stated that Christ might not be necessary for other species, as the redemption of mankind (Christ's purpose) was only made necessary by the Fall.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by LyndsySimon »

0xFFC wrote: post #86
ohyes wrote: post #71

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Ok. If it’s an extraterrestrial, how did it get here? There’s no evidence that FTL is possible and even if it were it would probably require huge amounts of power. We’d notice it being used. We may as well be saying that these are angels from heaven, I guess is my point. There are tons of reports of ‘divine’ stuff happening as well, but jumping to God existing being a likelihood is not something an objective observer…

In a totally unrelated comment, I want to say, one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?”

Here's another interesting idea, then: what if aliens arrive tomorrow, and the first thing out of their mouths is: "Greetings! We have received your radio transmissions and have come to worship the one true God, Jesus Christ, with you."

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by LyndsySimon »

timothevs wrote: post #104
gmisra wrote: post #54

For those interested in other "legitimate" UFO sightings, I'd recommend "UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record" by Leslie Kean [1]. The author is an investigative journalist who sets out to interview observers of relatively well-documented UFO encounters, and ends up speaking mostly with military pilots from around the world. It's a good read, and is even-handed and well written, especially…

Thanks for sharing the book. I agree that the releases from the US Gov the last few weeks have been VERY surprising, nearly a 90 degree shift from the "deny everything" policy that they assumed for the last few decades. Going one step further, at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I just wonder, what actually has changed to prompt this change in policy of denying everything

I've been suspicious for some time that the US federal government believes that there is likely to be sort of major societal upset in the near future. I can't imagine that it would be "Disclosure", though. I don't know what it could be.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by LyndsySimon »

thrill wrote: post #83
slg wrote: post #51

Was this how the video was released? It seems edited specifically in a way to cause the most mystery. The video starts and ends with it in sight of the camera. There is obviously more to the encounter which raises the question, why was it edited out?

The video is either edited for stabilization or that is the smoothest tracking while banked of another flying object that I've seen - or it's something in the camera system.

It's the camera system. Another forum where I was reading about this has lots of military and ex-military pilot members, and they identified the make and model of the imaging equipment that was used. No one there seemed to question the validity of the video itself.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by LyndsySimon »

colanderman wrote: post #79
kristaps wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Camera could be gimbal mounted, behind a fixed glass dome - if the speck is on the dome and the camera gimbal moves, it would appear like "the UFO" rotating.

Watch the angle displayed near the top of the screen. It passes 0° precisely when the object rotates. I say you're the winner. (I think the speck would have to be on the lens itself though; a speck on the dome would stay fixed during gimbal rotation. Speck on the lens rotates by virtue of the DSP compensating for the camera rotation to keep the world level.) I suppose also the "shape" of the object could be lens flar…

Note that it's a thermal camera - the object is showing up as very hot compared to the background of the sky.

Also, the "halo" effect is an artifact of the imaging system I'm told.

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Post by jacknews »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #14

At first I thought it was a spec of dirt stuck on the window, because it kept its position constant relative to the moving airplane. But then when it twisted, I had to give up that explanation.

Well it looks to me like an insect on the window/camera lens, which then turns. Am I missing something?

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Post by greywolf »

benjohnson wrote: post #11

Keep in mind one branch of the military was successfully flying this in 1977: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Ha... (a picture of Have Blue - the precursor to the stealth fighter. It defiantly looks like something out of this world to the eyes of someone in 1977)

that's a paper airplane!

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by colanderman »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #125
colanderman wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch the angle displayed near the top of the screen. It passes 0° precisely when the object rotates. I say you're the winner. (I think the speck would have to be on the lens itself though; a speck on the dome would stay fixed during gimbal rotation. Speck on the lens rotates by virtue of the DSP compensating for the camera rotation to keep the world level.) I suppose also the "shape" of the object could be lens flar…

Note that it's a thermal camera - the object is showing up as very hot compared to the background of the sky. Also, the "halo" effect is an artifact of the imaging system I'm told.

The sky is thermally very cold. Something room temperature would show up much brighter.

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Post by Balgair »

ohyes wrote: post #71
brango wrote: post #33

I'm sold on the whole UFO cover-up thing. If you peel back the social ridicule (very successfully induced by US government collaboration with Hollywood) and consider the huge number of circumstantial reports from across the military and non-military it seems pretty clear there's stuff in the skies of non-human origin. Historical art suggests they've been flying for centuries. There's also the publicly acknowledged re…

Ok. If it’s an extraterrestrial, how did it get here? There’s no evidence that FTL is possible and even if it were it would probably require huge amounts of power. We’d notice it being used. We may as well be saying that these are angels from heaven, I guess is my point. There are tons of reports of ‘divine’ stuff happening as well, but jumping to God existing being a likelihood is not something an objective observer…

>There’s no evidence that FTL is possible...

True, but remember that ~75% of the universe is 'dark energy' that is making the universe fly apart, eventually, faster than light speed. So, we hypothesize that eventually, everything will be faster than light.

What I am saying is that we don't know enough physics at the moment to say definitely that FTL is impossible. We really don't know any physics when talking about the majority of mass-energy of what we know currently, really. Extra-solar visitors may have figured a bit more of this out and realized that FTL is somthing you just go around, who knows.

Re: UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots

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Post by zamalek »

reaperducer wrote: post #116
zamalek wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why your God only sent his prophet to earth? The main schools of thought are that Jesus is unique to Earth (there are explanations as to why, such as Earth being the only sinful planet), Jesus has existed in one way or another on every planet with sapient life (this is viewed as heretical by the church) or that the same Jesus visits multiple planets. Some of these religions do not believe that the messiah (there ha…

> The main schools of thought are that Jesus is unique to Earth Citation needed. The Roman Catholic Church (certainly a "main school of thought") is on record as saying it's certainly possible that Jesus visited other planets, if there is life on those planets. The Catholic Church's astronomers, philosophers, and theologians have been on the record for more than half a century as saying that intelligent life on other…

> is on record as saying it's certainly possible that Jesus visited other planets

I literally said that in my comment.

> the fact that you use the phrase "the church" to describe all of Christianity shows your information level about religion is pretty low

I was referring to the Roman Catholic Church.

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