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Re: Elite colleges are making it easy for conservatives to dislike them

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Post by mikeash » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 3:42 PM UTC

LyndsySimon wrote: post #119

mikeash wrote: post #83

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In the 90s, the Democrats were trying to enact a single-payer health care system, and the Republican response to it was similar to what we now know as the ACA. Now, the Democrats fight for the Republican plan and the Republicans want to do away with it altogether. Democrats in the late 60s wanted a national gun registry and ban handguns for anyone who can't demonstrate a need, with household self-protection not consi…

> Republicans only wanted to ban things like assault weapons, ownership by felons, and carrying loaded weapons in public. Citation needed.

Check out the Gun Control Act of 1968 which was greatly shaped by the NRA (cut down from a stricter version, but they were OK with banning gun ownership by felons), the Mulford Act which prohibited carrying loaded weapons in public in California and passed with bipartisan support (signed into law by none other than Ronald Reagan), and the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons ban (which didn't have Republican support in Congress but did have support from both Reagan and Gerald Ford).

Re: Elite colleges are making it easy for conservatives to dislike them

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Post by chowchowchow » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

juliangoldsmith wrote: post #120

chowchowchow wrote: post #118

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> Nixon (most likely) wasn't complicit in the break-in, he covered it up after he learned of it. That's quite a thin distinction and not at all exculpatory of him anyway. So if Donald Trump learned about activities by his campaign manager, son, and son in law after the fact, and attempted to cover them up, would you agree with the Watergate comparison? The investigation is also not founded on the dossier. That is fal…

>Did you miss how trump Jr, Flynn, etc all retweeted confirmed Russian propaganda accounts? And trump himself echoed many positions that probably came to him in a similar way (he probably didn't specifically know that his sources were Russian peppaganda originally, I'll give you that. He doesn't know much) Do you have a source on any of that? I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that.

Sure. Hope you find these sources acceptable. Re retweeting Russian propaganda accounts:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-campaign-staffers-pushed...

I'm not saying they knew what they were doing at the time, but the fact of the matter is: Trump Jr., Flynn, Kellyanne Conway all retweeted TEN_GOP, a Russian propaganda account, in the run up to the election varying number of times.

Re Trump himself echoing Russian Propaganda:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgkqW4cJOFQ

I imagine you will find issues with these sources, since they probably are disagreeable to you. To me, and I imagine to most unbiased readers, they are fairly clear evidence of the fact that Trump and his team did (perhaps unknowingly) spread stories that originated from Russian propaganda and disinformation efforts.

Re: Elite colleges are making it easy for conservatives to dislike them

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Post by youdontknowtho » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 5:52 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #91

youdontknowtho wrote: post #9

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I know. There's been an organized project on the right to undermine universities since the 60's. Any accommodation made to them is a small victory.

The programs you're talking about have more to do with the FBI than any particular party. Edit: they were in place during Johnson's administration

No. There were specific conservative groups that had specific recommendations about how to make universities less radical.

Re: Elite colleges are making it easy for conservatives to dislike them

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Post by juliangoldsmith » Fri, Dec 01, 2017, 7:10 PM UTC

chowchowchow wrote: post #122

juliangoldsmith wrote: post #120

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>Did you miss how trump Jr, Flynn, etc all retweeted confirmed Russian propaganda accounts? And trump himself echoed many positions that probably came to him in a similar way (he probably didn't specifically know that his sources were Russian peppaganda originally, I'll give you that. He doesn't know much) Do you have a source on any of that? I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that.

Sure. Hope you find these sources acceptable. Re retweeting Russian propaganda accounts: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-campaign-staffers-pushed... I'm not saying they knew what they were doing at the time, but the fact of the matter is: Trump Jr., Flynn, Kellyanne Conway all retweeted TEN_GOP, a Russian propaganda account, in the run up to the election varying number of times. Re Trump himself echoing Russian P…

I can't say I'm a fan of the Daily Beast, but the RBC link looks legit. The president retweeting an official-looking Twitter account that said something he agrees with isn't great, but it's a bit of a jump between that and collusion.

As far as him echoing propaganda, it's not impossible. He and his staff probably didn't comb through sources on everything they retweeted. Each individual claim of echoing propaganda would have to be evaluated individually.