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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Joeri »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #102
jerkstate wrote: post #14

I also don't like how much they are pushing for me to install IOS 11 on my 5S. I know it's going to be unbearably slow but I intend to keep this phone for another year, so I want to stay on IOS 10

I have a 5S and iOS11 actually improved my phone's performance. The biggest hurdle for me was adjusting to the UI/UX changes. I actually had issues with iOS10 where my phone was consistently full no matter how much I removed from it. I had to remove almost everything to upgrade, but once I did it had cleared up most of the memory on my phone. The OS took up more space, but it seemed to have optimized whatever excesse…

Were you on 10.3 before? The most likely explanation of what you saw is the APFS migration, but you should have already gotten that in the 10.3 update.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

Joeri wrote: post #121
52-6F-62 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 5S and iOS11 actually improved my phone's performance. The biggest hurdle for me was adjusting to the UI/UX changes. I actually had issues with iOS10 where my phone was consistently full no matter how much I removed from it. I had to remove almost everything to upgrade, but once I did it had cleared up most of the memory on my phone. The OS took up more space, but it seemed to have optimized whatever excesse…

Were you on 10.3 before? The most likely explanation of what you saw is the APFS migration, but you should have already gotten that in the 10.3 update.

Interesting point. I was, but not for very long. I was on 10.2 for the longest time. In the process of upgrading to 11, I upgraded to 10.3 for a few hours and didn't notice, but I didn't clear out as much from my phone until I moved to upgrade to 11, so I can't confirm one way or the other.

I can say I've noticed an improvement in performance overall, though. And at the very least, it hasn't slowed down or run into any major bugs.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by fvargas »

blunte wrote: post #38

I regret upgrading. My Mac was wonderfully stable before the upgrade. Now it periodically crashes, as in full hard crash/reboot. Sometimes it fails to recognize one of my two external monitors, and when I wake it from screen saver or screen off (energy saver, but with laptop still running), it flashes the three displays a while and fumbles around trying to decide what goes where before _finally_ allowing me to unlock…

I experienced a similar disappointment after installing one of the Sierra security updates. It introduced some external display issues [1] which to this day have gone unfixed. I've spent hours with Apple support, both in chat and over the phone, explaining the issue and providing them with debug data. They told me multiple times it was being looked into by engineering and would continue to update me. But time and time again they would schedule a follow-up phone call that never came or tell me I'd receive an email follow-up that would never arrive.

I also echo the sentiment that it's difficult finding a practical alternative.

[1] https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/277967/major-issue...

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by keithpeter »

userbinator wrote: post #114
danpalmer wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just like it's acceptable to reboot a computer without a user's permission, losing all their work To play devil's advocate, the system provides great APIs for preserving work during reboots (above and beyond just saving to files, full state restoration of all UI in the system frameworks). It's arguably only poorly designed software that does not do this. I don't fully believe this, but it's one way of looking at it…

Applications shouldn't need to care, because the computer should not ever be rebooted for the vast majority of security updates --- the ones that everyone will be fine with (even those who otherwise hate upgrading), the ones that fix things like buffer overflows, the ones that actually matter to security. It is highly irritating to see that the "patch" to fix one unchecked buffer copy turns out to require half a doze…

drpm files on Fedora 25+ spring to mind, along with jigdo and zsync (Debian, Ubuntu - for full isos). I'm sure they will get there, but then perhaps different installs have a different set of files that need to be replaced?

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by overcast »

donatj wrote: post #10

Given how much worse High Sierra has been for me performance and stability wise I’d be quite upset if I’d been tricked/forced into installing it. For instance activating accessibility zoom freezes the entire system for 5-10 seconds before it kicks in. It’s horrible. I am also regularly frustrated with file system changes taking up to 30 seconds to show up in Finder. I presume this is a side effect of APFS.

Something is absolutely not right then, because APFS is MUCH faster indexing, listing, and instantaneously showing file/folder sizes. I'm running it on an unsupported MacPro 3,1 and it runs like a dream.

You're not running it on old platter drives are you? It's made for SSD.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by fvargas »

laurent123456 wrote: post #24
nayuki wrote: post #13

This is not unlike Microsoft's aggressive push to automatically install Windows 10 a few years ago.

This has became the new normal it seems. Just like it's acceptable to reboot a computer without a user's permission, losing all their work (or to start it in the middle of the night and not switch it back off). This is purely something that these companies do for their own good without any regard for the user. They probably think "What are you going to do about it? Install Ubuntu?"

> Just like it's acceptable to reboot a computer without a user's permission, losing all their work

This is something I've found fault with in Windows, and was greatly disappointed to see happen in Sierra.

I had been getting the High Sierra update reminder notification once a day for several days and normally just clicked "Remind me tomorrow" (since there's no option for "Don't remind me"). One day after having it pop up, I instead clicked "Try in an hour".

I expected this to ask me again in an hour, at which point I would choose whether or not to proceed with the update. Instead, while my MacBook was asleep with work open, it went ahead and updated the OS without my consent.

I don't (think) I lost any work, as I typically save things and Vim didn't leave any swp files. But the experience was disconcerting and bitterly reminiscent of Windows...

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by jseliger »

sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are frustrated by this issue alone

I honestly see why normal users never want to upgrade anything, for any reason. The first 5K iMac I used was an upgrade nightmare: https://jakeseliger.com/2015/01/01/5k-retina-imac-and-mac-os... . Many of the x.0.0 OS X / MacOS releases have edge-case bugs and one gets in return minimal user-visible functionality improvements. So why bother?

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by Overtonwindow »

dictum wrote: post #66
Overtonwindow wrote: post #17

I have a Macbook that still runs Mavericks and I'm quite happy with it. I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've never been able to shake the forced obsolescence tag when it comes to Apple. I have a laptop. It works very well. I don't feel the need to upgrade or update the software, because I don't want to lose functionality that works really well for me.

Anecdote time: I skipped Yosemite altogether (had a feeling it wasn't quite ready, and the discoveryd, wifi issues etc. had me vindicated), but El Capitan was really smooth (rose tinted glasses maybe, but I remember it beating my Snow Leopard experience) and Sierra has been great from point 0. I can't say it's going to work for your Macbook, but if it has an SSD (or you can put one in it) I really recommend trying ou…

Thank you for your suggestion. My next upgrade will be an SSD. With 8 gigs of memory it runs surprisingly well for a 5yo laptop :-)

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

This kinda pisses me off makes me a little angry. I've a 2014 rMBP and, given the issues I've heard talked about, have no desire yet to upgrade to HS. Them pulling a Microsoft and auto downloading the OS for me is consumer unfriendly seeing as how HD space on Macs cost a premium!
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