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Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by lawl »

hossbeast wrote: post #118
lawl wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd really like to see a comparison to TOR. Because honestly, from randomly clicking through the website I don't see why you're better than TOR and why I should use ORCHID. I cannot (easily) find answers to pretty much every question I have, and sorry, I'm not going to read through a 50 page whitepaper before I decide if it's worth it. What is it, onion routing? There's some talk of ethereum, so presumably you can ge…

If only there was a document describing the details of the design that you could read

I mean, I already said I know about the whitepaper. I'm very sorry that I ask for a bit more of a tl;dr of it when there's another new hot blockchain startup. Eh, you know, one of those you see every other day. Why not leave it to them to decide if they want to acknowledge my feedback or not?

I'm not forcing anyone to do anything here.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by parkingonthe »

ve55 wrote: post #94

There's a lot of projects that sound exactly like this. What they all have in common is that they all use an Ethereum (ERC20/22) token and all have very large amounts of money flowing into them, from private investors, companies, ICOs, etc. It would be nice to see more projects take routes that projects like tor take, where the founders do not accept millions of dollars of money before they even have a working and co…

Projects like bitcoinereum will try to make ICOs more reasonable. You don't preprogram how much the founders get. It's less susceptible to abuse. It's the bitcoin blockchain implemented on ethereum and lets anyone mine by competing with transactions.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by [deleted] »

ddevault wrote: post #104
ve55 wrote: post #94

There's a lot of projects that sound exactly like this. What they all have in common is that they all use an Ethereum (ERC20/22) token and all have very large amounts of money flowing into them, from private investors, companies, ICOs, etc. It would be nice to see more projects take routes that projects like tor take, where the founders do not accept millions of dollars of money before they even have a working and co…

Check out cjdns for a less stupid, less blockchain BS take on fixing the internet. https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

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Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

ve55 wrote: post #94

There's a lot of projects that sound exactly like this. What they all have in common is that they all use an Ethereum (ERC20/22) token and all have very large amounts of money flowing into them, from private investors, companies, ICOs, etc. It would be nice to see more projects take routes that projects like tor take, where the founders do not accept millions of dollars of money before they even have a working and co…

Since you brought up TOR and money, I would say one advantage this project has is that since payments are sent with packets, that will provide an stronger incentive for transmitters other than just for goodness of humanity.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by api »

confounded wrote: post #76

Why were venture capitalists interested in funding this? What do they get out of it? How and when do you intend to ‘exit’? (Apologies for the skeptical tone, I think this seems like a cool idea.)

Opening the Chinese market? As it stands the GFW implements a rather strong protectionist barrier. I've long suspected that to be it's main purpose.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

[deleted] wrote: post #123
ddevault wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out cjdns for a less stupid, less blockchain BS take on fixing the internet. https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

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Here's the tl;dr: a practical encrypted mesh network that can work over the traditional internet protocol (IP) or over real-world links and radio antennas.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by kpcyrd »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #126
[deleted] wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Here's the tl;dr: a practical encrypted mesh network that can work over the traditional internet protocol (IP) or over real-world links and radio antennas.

Since the parent was deleted and I couldn't comment by the time I finished typing, here's the non-tl;dr:

The main advantage is non-hierarchical routing. Your ip address is in fact the fingerprint of your public key, which is used to encrypt all traffic.

Because of this the address allocation works a lot different and there's no need for a central authority. The lack of a central authority is usually a problem if you ever tried to merge two large internal networks you might have run into the issue that both networks have used 10.0.0.1 for something. This isn't possible in cjdns because you can just generate as many key pairs as you want, which would map to one out of 2^120 possible addresses which are very unlikely to collide. Merging two networks is just a matter of configuring one or more peers and the networks are able to see each other (this is so easy, it might happen by accident).

The main difference to other projects is that you don't need to write code to support it. If your application supports unicast ipv6, your application is able to run on top of cjdns.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by saurik »

yyzhero wrote: post #114
kodablah wrote: post #74

I understand the plan is to be open source, but can someone help me understand why it's not developed in the open? I mean, you can tell people you're not accepting external input at this stage, but why not let people watch it being developed? I can't think of any reason that doesn't make me think that the goal may be openness/transparency but not the practice. Or did I miss the link to the repo?

There is no code. This is a cash grab. The author politely states they needed review of white paper concepts, so no they are not sure it will even be worth writing. The idealology of decentralization also reforms the patent system, so this project will fall like other over hyped icos, will get normalized on listing. Probably a huge discount for "seed".

Yet... there has been no monetizaton mechanism described that doesn't involve us releasing code, as we have been very clear that we refuse to do a token sale until such time as we have a fully working system. So, I am not sure how your theory works out here, but it will be interesting to see if you comment back here once we release code for you to actually run.

As for why we want whitepaper feedback: that is because we believe in peer review of design.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by saurik »

paradite wrote: post #112

> we believe will force anyone trying to block our traffic to end up blocking large areas of the internet--such as every server being hosted on Amazon Web Services--which would cause a serious problem for Chinese business people, deeply affecting commerce, as well as quality of life for the average Chinese citizen. Not really. China has several replacement solutions for AWS. Ali Cloud, Baidu Cloud, etc. It would just…

We believe, as do many people as far as I have seen, that if a country like China could block the entire world of Internet, they would. Regardless: I consider it my mission to make them have to seriously consider doing just that, and if I read a news report saying "in a shocking turn of events, China has decided to cut off all access to the Western Internet in an attempt to shut down Orchid", I will consider myself to have won that round, not lost ;P.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by paradite »

saurik wrote: post #129
paradite wrote: post #112

> we believe will force anyone trying to block our traffic to end up blocking large areas of the internet--such as every server being hosted on Amazon Web Services--which would cause a serious problem for Chinese business people, deeply affecting commerce, as well as quality of life for the average Chinese citizen. Not really. China has several replacement solutions for AWS. Ali Cloud, Baidu Cloud, etc. It would just…

We believe, as do many people as far as I have seen, that if a country like China could block the entire world of Internet, they would. Regardless: I consider it my mission to make them have to seriously consider doing just that, and if I read a news report saying "in a shocking turn of events, China has decided to cut off all access to the Western Internet in an attempt to shut down Orchid", I will consider myself t…

> I will consider myself to have won that round, not lost ;P.

If fame and victory are what your company is going after, instead of taking care of your potential users, then I am sorry that you won't have my support.

Btw, thank you for creating cydia if you were the author.

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