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Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

#121

Couldn't you just use cookies to track which creator a user visits and how often? I doubt many people are willing to install a extension for that.

Nope, not possible on any content site (eg youtube) and it also needs the site to add it.

Neither would it give us enough data to create what we have done. The algorithm in the extension is smarter about what it flattrs than a cookie could ever be. And more privacy friendly too.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

#124

I would like to point out two things about Flattr: - Whenever other people send you money, Flattr keeps 10% from that money. - When you make money with Flattr, Flattr expects you to give this money back to other authors you like. And they will send them back to other authors. As the money are sent back and forth, and 10% are removed at each step, Flattr is the only one actually making any money.

Flattr only keeps 7.5%. As a creator, % wise you end up with more in your pocket this way vs a lot of other revenue sources. Also, no fees are charged until end of Nov, so some time to test the waters.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

#125
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An easy enough solution might be to take a cut when money is moved in to or out of Flattr, but to take nothing when moved between Flattr accounts.

For optics they could take a cut only when moving money out. Then the consumers never feel taxed, they feel like the producer is getting 100% of the money. If the money then circulates then that's OK. If the money is withdrawn then take a good cut of that. One downside to that is that the more popular it becomes, the more 'currency' the flattr-coin becomes, it simply circulates with people neither depositing it nor w…

They could take an interchange fee. I'm not seeing why they take 10% instead of <1% like VISA does.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

#126
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit more insidious than 10%. Flattr takes 7.5%. Their payment processor takes 9%. Withdrawing costs you $3. And people call Patreon's 5% (on top of Stripe's 3%) outrageous. I guess it's better than the walled garden 30%, for popular enough sites.

Stripe charges 2.9% + 30¢. So on $3 that would be 0.387 cents that is 12.9% fee.

Stripe is not meant for smaller payments, but even then it's less than Apple's eye-gouging 30%.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

#127

I was initially very excited to see this post. I have always believed that flattr's subscription/contribution model could be so important for supporting creatives and grassroots efforts. So I'm disappointed that it seems I can't signup and contribute without installing a browser plugin that can read and change all my browser data and browser history... nope. Flattr team, please fix that and I'll consider giving you a…

How are you expecting it to work without a browser extension? In order to know who to pay, the software needs _some_ way to know what sites you're engaging with.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

#128

I was initially very excited to see this post. I have always believed that flattr's subscription/contribution model could be so important for supporting creatives and grassroots efforts. So I'm disappointed that it seems I can't signup and contribute without installing a browser plugin that can read and change all my browser data and browser history... nope. Flattr team, please fix that and I'll consider giving you a…

> P.S. I've been keeping my eye open for someone trying to implement this subscription/contribution model using blockchain.

Brave browser does this.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

#129

The key to a concept like this is massive, massive adoption by content creators. Flattr has been around for 7+ years and it's still relatively non-existent. Heck, the subreddit has 63 subscribers. Don't get me wrong. I love the idea and was trying to pitch people for funding on this almost 10 years ago and never hit anything but a brick wall.

Classic chicken-egg problem. 1. Why should a creator subscribe if it's not going to be a relevant revenue stream? 2. Why should a consumer subscribe (at a fixed fee, no less) if their favorite creators do not support it?

I actually think Flattr is doing a good job of solving this. Consumers can simply sign up without worrying about who supports it, and creators that don't support it will be notified that they're leaving money on the table by not accepting payments via Flattr.

It's basically the same model Brave is using with their Basic Attention Token platform.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

#130
post #33

I was big fan of original Flattr, that's why i was excited for 2.0 too. However that "extension" setup is something that still keeps me in evaluation phase, rather than 100% in. I inspected extension (not 100% of it, but a bit of code, storage, xhr calls). Some findings: * They use whitelist (visible in source) of sites, thus they do not record activity on all sites, but just the ones in whitelist. * You can individu…

> * They use whitelist (visible in source) of sites, thus they do not record activity on all sites, but just the ones in whitelist.

Is that in the manifest or in the source?

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