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Re: Confessions of a Failed Female Coder

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Most math majors are there to become math teachers, which is very people oriented. If you consider only PhD programs for math then it becomes very male dominated.

If the near-50-50 gender ratio in math is explained by math teachers, wouldn't we expect a similar ratio in physics?

Most physics students become engineers, scientists or programmers in my experience.

Re: Confessions of a Failed Female Coder

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I haven't read it either, and won't like to. After his arrogant/weird responses, I'm sure it's pure intellectual bullshit. I don't know what his exact motive was, but he sure seems to enjoy the storms he's caused. I just dislike people like that.

uhhh, how can you say it's pure intellectual bullshit without reading? it would me like me calling you an asshole without knowing you.

> it would me like me calling you an asshole without knowing you.

That's not a fair comparison. I skimmed through the manifesto and followed the Damore case close enough to reach that strong opinion (I didn't just wrap myself in Guardianista commentary). After that, and watching his reactions, I just don't have the time nor care to study his manifesto line by line. Would you, if you find a person that you just cannot respect, and have many more to do and think about?

Re: Confessions of a Failed Female Coder

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the snide addition of "Hopefully she doesn't get fired for it." makes it hard to be objective about the rest of your comment, but putting that aside, i agree that there is a tinge of implicit buy-in of gender stereotyping in her writing. it's almost certainly more complicated than just "biology did it". that biology simply _dictates_ the way we learn is naive, rather than being a complicated dance between biological…

> the snide addition of "Hopefully she doesn't get fired for it." makes it hard to be objective about the rest of your comment True, although I honestly hope she doesn't, and think there is a decent chance of her getting some backlash/having a risk of getting fired.

thanks for acknowledging, i know that can be hard to do. i think the difference here is that she didn't announce it in her workplace, but rather brought it up for public debate in an open forum.

Re: Confessions of a Failed Female Coder

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> girls and women prefer collaborative rather than solo work, that they are more engaged in “things” if they can see the “people” aspect to it, and that they are prone to perfectionism and a fear of failure. This does not quite jive with enrollment at my university. I am thinking specifically of maths as compared to other STEM fields. Of all seriously theoretical courses, maths has the most women, last time I checked…

jibe, not jive http://americanenglishdoctor.com/wordpress/jive-and-jibe/

I finally get to terms with sailing terms in english, and then jibing starts having different meanings :|

Re: Confessions of a Failed Female Coder

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> girls and women prefer collaborative rather than solo work, that they are more engaged in “things” if they can see the “people” aspect to it, and that they are prone to perfectionism and a fear of failure. This does not quite jive with enrollment at my university. I am thinking specifically of maths as compared to other STEM fields. Of all seriously theoretical courses, maths has the most women, last time I checked…

Most math majors are there to become math teachers, which is very people oriented. If you consider only PhD programs for math then it becomes very male dominated.

That does not seem to be the case for my year of math students. Though it seems the ratio does become worse at the PhD level (I'd guess not as much, but I don't move in those circles much).

Re: Confessions of a Failed Female Coder

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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are in the UK and not SV to make a statement like that. The Bay Area is on the vanguard of the far left. SV companies range from far left, to left. Anyone vaguely center right pretends to be a libertarian otherwise they'd never get a job or invited to parties.

Realy? SV is in no way far left wing god only knows what you think I am :-) If SV's so left wing where's the union branches and if its so far left why are not their UK office unionised :-) If Google Fb ect want to come into the light let me know and I will have a word with the right people and have a branch sorted out before xmass - might help to have a friend if Jeremy wins the next election.

There are unions in SV:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/24/hundreds-of-facebook-c...

http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2015/02/23/facebook-bus-dri...

The USA as a whole is center right, which inhibits unionization, especially for privileged white collar groups, so you only see unionization for lower paid blue collar jobs in SV. It has very little to do with the local degree of leftism.

This might give a better indication of the way things are in SV:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/06/technology/crowdpac-donation...

Re: Confessions of a Failed Female Coder

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uhhh, how can you say it's pure intellectual bullshit without reading? it would me like me calling you an asshole without knowing you.

> it would me like me calling you an asshole without knowing you. That's not a fair comparison. I skimmed through the manifesto and followed the Damore case close enough to reach that strong opinion (I didn't just wrap myself in Guardianista commentary). After that, and watching his reactions, I just don't have the time nor care to study his manifesto line by line. Would you, if you find a person that you just cannot…

You didn't actually read what he wrote but "followed the Damore case" which means you read what others wrote about him. That's extremely ignorant. I have no respect for people like you who get their opinion served by others. And that's something I can confidently say from your replies.

Re: Confessions of a Failed Female Coder

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I am more the lone wolf type myself. I am fine with collaborating, actually enjoy it when needed, but I prefer doing the majority of my work alone or with a small team and banging my/our head against a problem until I/we have figured it out. What's starting to bother me is that there is a trend where extroverted people (like her I assume) try to change education and workplaces to suit their style but introverted peop…

This is a lot of whats changed in the 20 years I've been in the industry. My first job as an engineer, EVERYONE got an office. Even the new grads. It was assumed you'd need a work space and some quiet to think.

My last job (I'm not taking another), we were packed in like gerbils, cages stacked on top of each other and most of my coworkers were non-technical. Yes, many "programmers" are now non-technical people. They're not scientists anymore, they're janitors.

Re: Confessions of a Failed Female Coder

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I am more the lone wolf type myself. I am fine with collaborating, actually enjoy it when needed, but I prefer doing the majority of my work alone or with a small team and banging my/our head against a problem until I/we have figured it out. What's starting to bother me is that there is a trend where extroverted people (like her I assume) try to change education and workplaces to suit their style but introverted peop…

I am a female software engineer who is an introvert too. It's wrong to assume that men want to work alone and women want to work with people... it ignores a lot individuals like me. I currently work in an open office environment and find it very hard to concentrate with people around me. I don't want people to assume that bc I'm female I want to work with people. I really really don't. People should stop trying to fo…

Isn't her point that because how tech education and work is currently a large portion of women leave the tech field. So by default that means you and many of the other female posters here are the exceptions that enjoy working alone.
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