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Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by mythrwy »

Larrikin wrote: post #113
mythrwy wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's the first part of the evil plan? Make people see Russians everywhere. I try to look at content and don't care much who the poster might be. Because everyone has motive even if it's just boredom or attention.

When the number one tactic involves paying people to troll and influence on social media it's being willfully ignorant to look at every post in a vacuum and to not look for patterns.

I'm not saying the original poster isn't Russian, maybe they are. Does it really matter? If what they are saying isn't true we can contradict it or ignore it right?

However if what is being said is true maybe the bigger problem is not _who_ is saying what but rather that this truth exists to be said and maybe we should do something about that rather than ascribing motives which may or may not be accurate.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by mozumder »

daxorid wrote: post #92
beepboopbeep wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're the only one in this thread that's incredulous about a major publication posting a researched article. Clearly we are all out to get you.

pdx is certainly not the only one. Many of us who consider the entirety of Western Media to be a wholly controlled narrative fabrication oligopoly simply keep our mouths shut about it.

As they should, since they won't be able to back up their claims with facts.

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Post by RandVal30142 »

sergers wrote: post #119
RandVal30142 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And I feel lately that they are now trying to build a case for some sort of conflict, presumably cold, against Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine & Crimea, ended up downing a civilian airliner killing them all. Slaughtered hospital workers in Syria after following victims of regime chemical weapons attack to the facilities. Has been funneling heavy weapons like T90 tanks into sub-state militias, including the designated…

Minus the taking of land, Crimea by Russia, and the civilian abduction (US just more secretive)same can be said for US actions over the past decades. Does that mean USA is war with the world (under trump now, yes, but I am implying before that)? How many other nations elections has USA undermined, accidental civilian casualties(including downing of a civilian plane) and funding to terrorists (directly funding Taliban…

>same can be said for US actions over the past decades

Is this really the best response? A deflection? Do you know how tiring it gets? How little it advances discussion?

My peers are being hunted for documenting war crimes but OK US did similar stuff some decades ago so I guess the topic is resolved for good. Wrapped up nicely with a bow for eternity.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by campuscodi »

tlrobinson wrote: post #39
runesoerensen wrote: post #10

Kaspersky preempting (presumably) this story: "New conspiracy theory, anon sources media story coming. Note we make no apologies for being aggressive in the battle against cyberthreats" https://twitter.com/e_kaspersky/status/915946040561487875 Edit: Kaspersky press release https://usa.kaspersky.com/about/press-releases/2017_kaspersk...

Heh, an extreme interpretation of that statement could be that Kaspersky considers the NSA to be a "cyberthreat"...

Aren't they?

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by zghst »

Larrikin wrote: post #113
mythrwy wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's the first part of the evil plan? Make people see Russians everywhere. I try to look at content and don't care much who the poster might be. Because everyone has motive even if it's just boredom or attention.

When the number one tactic involves paying people to troll and influence on social media it's being willfully ignorant to look at every post in a vacuum and to not look for patterns.

Let us also recognize that Russia is just one of hundreds of interests that are trying to influence conversation online, not discounting several factions in the US government.

It is very easy to spot them, especially on platforms like Twitter where they spread obvious, blatant lies. No one is immune, especially with disinformation campaigns being waged by domestic parties, corporate interests, PR firms.

It has always been a reality that the internet attracts misinformation and conspiracy, even more so in the past than now. And yet, we continue to evolve from a technology that doesn't allow for us to distinguish fantasy from reality.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by dmix »

campuscodi wrote: post #124

Has anyone else noticed the influx of anti-Russia articles on the WSJ lately?

If the article contains the words 'cyber' you can pretty much be assured they've got plenty of 'authoritative' government sources who are inherently anti-Russian. From my experience it's certainly not new, even for WSJ.

I've read plenty of non-fiction espionage books and it's a safe bet to expect the American ones to be dripping with Russian paranoia. Warranted or not. They never gave that up after the cold-war, unlike the public. And non-technical journalists rely heavily on their sources expertise, more so than most subjects.

I prefer getting my infosec news from infosec people: https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/91601649974720512...

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by sergers »

RandVal30142 wrote: post #123
sergers wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minus the taking of land, Crimea by Russia, and the civilian abduction (US just more secretive)same can be said for US actions over the past decades. Does that mean USA is war with the world (under trump now, yes, but I am implying before that)? How many other nations elections has USA undermined, accidental civilian casualties(including downing of a civilian plane) and funding to terrorists (directly funding Taliban…

>same can be said for US actions over the past decades Is this really the best response? A deflection? Do you know how tiring it gets? How little it advances discussion? My peers are being hunted for documenting war crimes but OK US did similar stuff some decades ago so I guess the topic is resolved for good. Wrapped up nicely with a bow for eternity.

My comment was in response to specifically your questioning implying it was very obvious Russia is at war with the entire world for said reasons.

I pointed out USA has done similar things Russia has done/being accused of (And it's not just decades ago, funding of terrorists, undermining regimes is still ongoing today. By USA Russia and many other nations).

At the same time, I am NOT saying tit for tat means problem resolved... You are taking it to extremes implying something I did not say.

Your comment doesn't advance the discussion either if u want to be a stickler with the "isn't it obvious, what else do you need" type of response I was replying to when: no it isn't obvious, and your statements are not clear indicator of that as much can be said about other nations including USA. Not that actions balance each other out so nothing to worry about

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by pohl »

indubitable wrote: post #54

I find these allegations are deserving of some scrutiny. The entire story is quite bizarre when you begin to consider it. The NSA is apparently leaking like a broken pipe with this information. And it's peculiar because this is information that makes our intelligence agencies look completely inept. That is a very good thing if this story is fake, but a very bad thing if its true. It is stupefying that NSA contractors…

Our media and our government lied to generate a case for war. And I feel lately that they are now trying to build a case for some sort of conflict, presumably cold, against Russia

Our current president has never had a critical thought enter his mind and not have it escape his lips, or his tweeting fingertips – yet Russia (and Putin in particular) have never been in his crosshairs. I think that this fact directly contradicts your hypothesis. Then there is also the mysterious change to the GOP platform around the time of the convention.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by jejeuei73737 »

indubitable wrote: post #54

I find these allegations are deserving of some scrutiny. The entire story is quite bizarre when you begin to consider it. The NSA is apparently leaking like a broken pipe with this information. And it's peculiar because this is information that makes our intelligence agencies look completely inept. That is a very good thing if this story is fake, but a very bad thing if its true. It is stupefying that NSA contractors…

Occam’s Razor:

A 25 day old anonymous HN acct is controlled by a shill attempting to deflect attention in readers minds (which we know Russia does along with every other nation state)

Or

WSJ made the whole thing about Russia hacking computers up, which really we already know their intel community does, just like every other nation states

Occams Razor again:

Google, Equifax, Yahoo, NSA are incompetents with technology as they have all suffered data breaches recently (waymo+uber is a breach in the same sense the NSA contractor took home data they were vetted to access and it was used outside its scope of access)

Or

We’re suffering a mass delusion driven by marketing and fear that perfect security is possible, just these very good tech groups sucked at it (of course no one out there benefits from the public doubting these groups abilities right?)

Given humans long history of buying in to mass delusions (religion, nationalism, what brands one buys matters), Occam’s razor seems clear on this

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