Can this be used with the old firebase sdk? Upgrading looks like pain
Cloud Firestore: A New Document Database for Apps
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Re: Cloud Firestore: A New Document Database for Apps
#122Does any of you feel cheated by Google? Rather than improving the existing product and providing backward compatibility, Google has chosen to build a new product with its own proprietary API. I have a client who has invested significant amount time and money in Firebase Realtime Database. Now with this move, I am not sure if Google will support Firebase Realtime Database for next 5 years. So a full rewrite might be n…
its nearly impossible to make large non-breaking improvements to an existing production service ... so no, they did the right thing here.
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#123I'm sorry if I overlooked, but no aggregations? Like calculating sums or averages?
Re: Cloud Firestore: A New Document Database for Apps
#124Does any of you feel cheated by Google? Rather than improving the existing product and providing backward compatibility, Google has chosen to build a new product with its own proprietary API. I have a client who has invested significant amount time and money in Firebase Realtime Database. Now with this move, I am not sure if Google will support Firebase Realtime Database for next 5 years. So a full rewrite might be n…
How would you propose shoe-horning a document database into Firebase realtime DB?
Can't you just pretend this new feature you just learned about 2 hours ago didn't exist if you don't want to use it?
Isn't releasing this very feature improving Firebase, like you're demanding?
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#125Another cool Google tech which will SUDDENLY go extinct when you need it most and which will ignore all of you support requests if it doesn't work properly and which will block you from all of you stuff in Google's system if you break smallest shady statement line in the TOS.
Do you really want to base your business on top of Google's stuff? Come on, even MS is more trustworthy than modern Google.
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#126I do like the new solution more than the Realtime Database, but I see only this solution to fit smaller scale. Applications with heavy write could get really expensive. Also, the standard plan has only "Maximum write rate to a document 1 per second". The write is currently three times expensive operation as read hopefully, this would be lowered in future.
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#127A couple of questions: What's the underlying synchronisation mechanism? Is it based on CRDTs? How does this product differ from Gun.js and realm.io?
It does not use CRDTs as they cannot be used to handle all the update requirements of this system.
It uses Paxos as the consensus algorithm, along with internal systems like the TrueTime API to enable us synchronously replicate across multiple data centers.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you provide anything to reassure potential users that this will still exist in five or ten years time?
The Firebase Realtime Database has been around for ~5 years (and is still fully supported after this launch). Cloud Datastore has been around in some form (started as App Engine Datastore) since 2008. Cloud Firestore was a massive multi-year joint effort between Firebase and Google Cloud. Google is investing heavily in both, and this is a big deal for our teams.
Perhaps you could consider persuading the powers that be to make a loud public commitment.
After all, if they are truly confident, there should be little cost in doing so.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Firebase Realtime Database has been around for ~5 years (and is still fully supported after this launch). Cloud Datastore has been around in some form (started as App Engine Datastore) since 2008. Cloud Firestore was a massive multi-year joint effort between Firebase and Google Cloud. Google is investing heavily in both, and this is a big deal for our teams.
Perhaps you could consider persuading the powers that be to make a loud public commitment. After all, if they are truly confident, there should be little cost in doing so.
We announced the product, that's a loud public commitment. Once it reaches general availability, it will be covered by the Cloud deprecation policy requiring a minimum of one year notice for deprecation.
I'm not sure what other guarantees would even make sense to offer. If anything, I'd look at this announcement as ongoing proof in the magnitude of investment Google is making in Firebase and Cloud.
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#130I’m still looking for a product that provides firebase-levels of ease of getting up and running (no API to design, rule-based authentication, etc) , but runs on your own infrastructure, off of a traditional RDBMS. Someone tell me they’ve found the holy grail?!
FeathersJS provides a layer between your database (RDBMS, NoSQL, ..) and your client, which gives you similar functionality as firebase.
Edit: Minus rule based auth.