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Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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The explosion of administrative staff is crazy universities keep cutting teaching positions and increasing admin.

It seems like there should be a market for low overhead small schools with high paid teaching staff.

Couldn't agree more. It's not so much about the prestige but guaranteeing good employment options.

Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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am not sure if this article and the recent naval tweetstorm are in any way pertinent to stem. i understand the value of phds in romance lit & english & so forth is zero. but in a stem phd, the timelines are 4-5 years, the educational content is substantially rigorous , seriously cannot be acquired by self-study of textbooks or youtube vids, and job prospects outside of academia are 200k+ in the bay area, thanks to the resurgence of computationally hard careers like ml/ds/ai . it is definitely worthwhile to pursue grad school in stem; worst case you can always fall back on react 24 or jquery 48 or whatever shitty version is out 4 years from now.

Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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In parts of Europe there the expression: "That's Texas." It roughly means "That's crazy." but with a 'Murica flavor to it. Lately, I've been finding myself frequently thinking: "That's Texas." Let me get this straight. Take a course load of 4 double semester courses per year with 200 hours of class time total in the given year. Let's double it to 400 hours just to be safe to include exam marking and office hours. A s…

We have that saying in Turkey as well. The funny part is, I've been living in Texas in last 4-5 years and Texas is actually a great state, especially if you stick with metroplexes such as DFW or Austin.

That's interesting. See my other comment - do you think the etymology is the same (western movies in the case of Norwegian)?

Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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University of California salaries are shared publicly. I haven't actually crunched the numbers but it seems like an average salary is around 150k for professors in research based fields. That's well over half of the median salary in almost any profession.

I'm out of my element here so someone in the industry can correct me, but from what I can tell academia is a tournament economy, like law. Those at the top (tenured professors) make all the money, everyone else struggles to get by.

Probably it's even more of a tournament economy that that. Tenured professor, possibly with an endowed chair, at a top-tier university would be considered by most to be a pretty nice life--especially in areas where the cost-of-living is relatively modest. If they're in a field they can earn consulting dollars, all the better.

Tenured professor at some small liberal arts college usually isn't doing as well.

Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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In parts of Europe there the expression: "That's Texas." It roughly means "That's crazy." but with a 'Murica flavor to it. Lately, I've been finding myself frequently thinking: "That's Texas." Let me get this straight. Take a course load of 4 double semester courses per year with 200 hours of class time total in the given year. Let's double it to 400 hours just to be safe to include exam marking and office hours. A s…

> How is the market so broken? Student debt. Look at the housing market: in the 70s you could buy a house for much less because houses cost less because people didn't have more money to overpay. With a thirty year explosion of the mortgage industry and the idea that anyone should qualify to own a home, suddenly consumers had extra money to outbid people on buying houses. This broadly increased property prices with no…

What a programmer centric view. 99+% of people are not programmers. You want to be in any other STEM job you need a university degree(s). Almost any reasonable paying job other than programmer require actual training and education.

Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In parts of Europe there the expression: "That's Texas." It roughly means "That's crazy." but with a 'Murica flavor to it. Lately, I've been finding myself frequently thinking: "That's Texas." Let me get this straight. Take a course load of 4 double semester courses per year with 200 hours of class time total in the given year. Let's double it to 400 hours just to be safe to include exam marking and office hours. A s…

> How is the market so broken? Student debt. Look at the housing market: in the 70s you could buy a house for much less because houses cost less because people didn't have more money to overpay. With a thirty year explosion of the mortgage industry and the idea that anyone should qualify to own a home, suddenly consumers had extra money to outbid people on buying houses. This broadly increased property prices with no…

This explanation makes no sense, what you are describing is MORE money entering the system.

Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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One thing i didn't understand from the story: those are smart people, motivated people, with good people's skills. All the things our economy loves. Why don't they say "fuck it" and change profession, to something more decent ? it would be hard, but is it possible ? And i say this without judgement, just out of curiosity.

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Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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What is the inherent value that lecturers offer anyways? All the material they teach in classes has been available online for the last 20 years. It makes sense (going by market needs) that they have been driven to such levels of poverty. The only value universities offer is that one can meet other like-minded and driven people at universities. If some other social structures can offer the same, i.e. a place where one…

My dad went to a public university in the 80s for about $2k/yr back when only 20-25% had a degree. It was an incredible value back then. Now over 33% [1] have a college degree, it costs way too much, you get less and we have amazing content on the web, most of which is free.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attai...

Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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Not to burst your Bernie-bubble, but the recent election proved Bernie will never, ever be President, and his ideas, scoffed at by his own party, will likely die with him.

How did the election prove it?

The Russians proved it when they hacked the DNC and leaked emails showing corruption and how the DNC was actively trying to undermine Bernie's campaign.[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...

Re: Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping in cars

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Reform the tenure system and place caps on university administrators pay.

Tenure's not the problem, the problem is that in their academic career, a PHD will produce X new PHDs. Where X is substantially greater than 1. Until this is fixed, it doesn't matter if academic jobs are for life, or are contracts that get renewed (or not) every 8 hours. This pyramid scheme was fine while demand for PHDs was increasing (By industry, and growth of academia), but now its really not (Industry doesn't wa…

All PHds don't need to go into academia. Nothing wrong with having lots of people with advanced degrees.
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