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Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by mrnaught »

vorpalhex wrote: post #81
aesthetics1 wrote: post #66

This seems aimed squarely at VSCode. VSCode does a lot of this now out of the box (or with a few extensions). I think Atom is really just trying to keep up. I personally do not believe they have the horsepower to compete with Microsoft here though. VSCode is a phenomenal product.

I've always chosen Atom over VSCode because I don't want these features. Autocomplete even on really expensive IDEs runs way to slow, clever auto formatting and it's ilk tend to not work well for me at all, and I dislike the overbearing project management features in most IDEs. I want a text editor that vaguely understands code with some simple file browsing and plug and play extensions. Atom trying to become VSCode…

> Autocomplete even on really expensive IDEs runs way to slow..

Not true for jetbrains ones. Autocomplete speed is One of the reasons for me to go for their toolbox subscription

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

#122

Post by pjmlp »

tym0 wrote: post #113
noir_lord wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intellij Ultimate costs me £14 a month, with the plugins (which makes it equivalent to Phpstorm, PyCharm, Rubymine and Webstorm) thats less than I spend on coffee in two weeks, it's insane value however you look at it. That said I still spend a chunk of time (maybe 30%) in vscode because for somethings I prefer it (it's git support with git lens is incredible) and for TypeScript it's comparable to Intellij with the a…

I keep seeing people writing about these "cheap" intellij subscriptions but on the website it's 400 pounds a year.

I really would like to see this utopian world where all other professions outside IT also get their tools for free.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by reificator »

Still playing catchup with VSCode, but without the integrated debugger and all the rest of its fancy tooling. Is it still mind-numbingly slow as well?

I can't imagine switching back to Atom at this point, or even Sublime. For individual projects I might use IntelliJ or Visual Studio again, but outside of that VSCode is my exclusive editor for all languages for the foreseeable future. I'm very impressed by what Microsoft pulled off to be honest. (Blinking cursor jokes aside, of course)

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by digitalsanctum »

kllrnohj wrote: post #78
tootie wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's less relevant than it used to be. JetBrains is now the de facto best IDE for Java, JavaScript, Python and PHP. It has Android Studio and even support for C#. Visual Studio also supports a wide array of languages. I'm in IntelliJ pretty much all the time, no matter the project.

IntelliJ is expensive if you want languages not covered by the free edition (like JavaScript), though, and even if you pay for it some things are frustratingly distinct such as if you have a Java/C++ app you need two different "IDEs" (CLion + IntelliJ), and you need to then juggle between those windows. Android Studio is able to work with both even though IntelliJ Ultimate isn't (why, Jetbrains, why!?), but getting A…

Relative to the productivity gains from IntelliJ it's well worth the price. It's pretty much the only development tool I gladly pay for.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

#125

Post by pjmlp »

wldcordeiro wrote: post #50
thrillgore wrote: post #2

I hope they address memory consumption at some point too.

Read the blog post for Atom 1.19 then. They've been making efforts there and there's been great improvements.

Yes, by dropping into C++.

With enough C++ they might just replicate Sublime Text, vim or Emacs.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

#126

Post by anderspitman »

komali2 wrote: post #101
dkersten wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs Vim/emacs give a better experience though: they work in a terminal/over ssh and they are FAST and lightweight (memory use). Atom has neither of these properties.

I've been wondering if there's a way to use a more graphical editor over SSH, such as vscode or sublime. I get that I could just "learn VIM" but I already know a shitload of hotkeys for vscode/sublime (they're easily transferred), so I'd rather just use them.

You could do X forwarding

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

#127

Post by vorpalhex »

mrnaught wrote: post #121
vorpalhex wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always chosen Atom over VSCode because I don't want these features. Autocomplete even on really expensive IDEs runs way to slow, clever auto formatting and it's ilk tend to not work well for me at all, and I dislike the overbearing project management features in most IDEs. I want a text editor that vaguely understands code with some simple file browsing and plug and play extensions. Atom trying to become VSCode…

> Autocomplete even on really expensive IDEs runs way to slow.. Not true for jetbrains ones. Autocomplete speed is One of the reasons for me to go for their toolbox subscription

Even with a fully unlocked enterprise license on it, autocomplete was lagging far behind me on a high end macbook pro. Maybe I just type too fast or the libraries I use are poorly laid out, but it was not working.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

#128

Post by charriu »

tym0 wrote: post #113
noir_lord wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intellij Ultimate costs me £14 a month, with the plugins (which makes it equivalent to Phpstorm, PyCharm, Rubymine and Webstorm) thats less than I spend on coffee in two weeks, it's insane value however you look at it. That said I still spend a chunk of time (maybe 30%) in vscode because for somethings I prefer it (it's git support with git lens is incredible) and for TypeScript it's comparable to Intellij with the a…

I keep seeing people writing about these "cheap" intellij subscriptions but on the website it's 400 pounds a year.

For a company, yes. Individual license is much cheaper, but the devs need to pay for it themselves.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by slewis »

reificator wrote: post #123

Still playing catchup with VSCode, but without the integrated debugger and all the rest of its fancy tooling. Is it still mind-numbingly slow as well? I can't imagine switching back to Atom at this point, or even Sublime. For individual projects I might use IntelliJ or Visual Studio again, but outside of that VSCode is my exclusive editor for all languages for the foreseeable future. I'm very impressed by what Micros…

Can you comment on when/why you might use IntelliJ/VS over VSCode? I've recently switched to VSCode from vim, and haven't really used full IDEs since college (except for small amounts of mobile app development).
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