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Re: Rental camera gear destroyed by the 2017 eclipse

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Off topic, but I think here's another image of the same airplane, also taken in Idaho: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/6v62nl/plane_cros...

That turned out to be a fake. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6v6y1k/

Oh man that's hilarious considering this: https://petapixel.com/2016/01/29/nikon-awards-prize-to-badly...

Re: Rental camera gear destroyed by the 2017 eclipse

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It's a shame that Lens Rentals had to suffer such material loss, but that report is absolute gold-plated first-hand evidence for my perennial debates with other photographers who insist that they don't need Solar protection for eclipses. "But I took a landscape shot at midday with the Sun in frame and it didn't melt my sensor". The difference being the length of exposure and the concentrations of energy.

Worth noting that on the 600mm with melted iris, the user did use a solar filter.

Unfortunately for the lens, the 600mm lens's drop-in filter slot is behind the iris. So the camera was fine, the lens not so much.

http://shuttermuse.com/canon-drop-in-filter-guide/

Re: Rental camera gear destroyed by the 2017 eclipse

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They have an in-house repair shop that dealt with most or all of it, and they charge the customer for the cost of the repair. From the comments the fact that they don't gouge on repairs is one reason some folks use them.

How do you fix a burnt cmos sensor? I feel like canon would charge you near enough the full replacement price.

A quick search online reveals plenty of sources of replacement sensors, at a fraction of the cost of the complete camera.

Re: Rental camera gear destroyed by the 2017 eclipse

#124
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I got lucky while testing my camera, which is mounted at prime focus in a refractor scope. I had it in Live View which meant the mirror was up, and I removed the solar filter for just a second. The camera said "error", turned off, I replaced the solar filter, and it was fine. Much longer, and I'd have had a burn. The telescope really collects and concentrates a ton of light.

According to the thread above, the telescopic lens is safer to use than a shorter one. Only here would someone give a mathematical proof!

No, a slower lens (higher f-number, or, actually, T-number) is safer than a faster lens. It's only a practical accident that a long "telephoto" lens is usually significantly slower than a lens closer to normal for the format (and that the long end of a consumer zoom is usually slower than the wide end). A 600mm f/4 lens is an eye-wateringly expensive hulking monster; a 50mm f/1.8 lens is the proverbial cheap-as-chips (with some exceptions), but will let about 5-6 times the amount of light through to be imaged on the sensor - it'll burn a smaller hole, but do it much more quickly. Should you be able too find a 600mm lens with the same T-number (similar to the f-number, but taking transmissivity losses into account), it'll do the job just as quickly, but much more thoroughly.

Re: Rental camera gear destroyed by the 2017 eclipse

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post #118
post #96

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There kind of is, because it's darker when the sun is partially covered, so you'll use a larger aperture or longer exposure than you would normally. This is also why it's more dangerous to look at the sun during an eclipse than it is normally: your iris opens wider during an eclipse because it's not as bright.

I think you misunderstood his point, which was: there is no more energy coming from the sun at any given point during the eclipse than in a clear day. The sun isn't "sending" more energy on the path that aren't blocked, nor is the energy blocked going around the obstacle and concentrating on the areas still visibles. The reason for the damage is entirely due to the receiver behaving/being differently, be it your eyes…

"tricked into thinking it's dark" is kind of misleading, because it is in fact darker, but for some reason unknown to me there the energy from the sun harms you as much. I thought the issue with looking at its sun was its brightness, but i guess it isn't?

Re: Rental camera gear destroyed by the 2017 eclipse

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post #118
post #96

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There kind of is, because it's darker when the sun is partially covered, so you'll use a larger aperture or longer exposure than you would normally. This is also why it's more dangerous to look at the sun during an eclipse than it is normally: your iris opens wider during an eclipse because it's not as bright.

I think you misunderstood his point, which was: there is no more energy coming from the sun at any given point during the eclipse than in a clear day. The sun isn't "sending" more energy on the path that aren't blocked, nor is the energy blocked going around the obstacle and concentrating on the areas still visibles. The reason for the damage is entirely due to the receiver behaving/being differently, be it your eyes…

I understood the point just fine. My point is that there is a greater concentration of energy which is what causes damage, it just happens in the optics rather than at the source.

Re: Rental camera gear destroyed by the 2017 eclipse

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How do you fix a burnt cmos sensor? I feel like canon would charge you near enough the full replacement price.

A quick search online reveals plenty of sources of replacement sensors, at a fraction of the cost of the complete camera.

There do seem to be people selling 7d mark ii cmos sensors for ~$300, while a new body would cost ~$1100.

Someone posted a video of replacing the sensor on the old 7d (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udonzfGdW0Y)

Seems it eventually worked for him, after several attempts to adjust the position to get correct focus, but if you read the comments on the video there are many people who've messed up their camera trying to do this.

Might be fun to try though.

Re: Rental camera gear destroyed by the 2017 eclipse

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post #118

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I think you misunderstood his point, which was: there is no more energy coming from the sun at any given point during the eclipse than in a clear day. The sun isn't "sending" more energy on the path that aren't blocked, nor is the energy blocked going around the obstacle and concentrating on the areas still visibles. The reason for the damage is entirely due to the receiver behaving/being differently, be it your eyes…

"tricked into thinking it's dark" is kind of misleading, because it is in fact darker, but for some reason unknown to me there the energy from the sun harms you as much. I thought the issue with looking at its sun was its brightness, but i guess it isn't?

The issue is how much light gets focused onto a small area of your retina. When the sun is partially eclipsed, the darkness makes your iris open up to let more light in. That then focuses more light from the visible part of the sun onto the same area of retina.

Re: Rental camera gear destroyed by the 2017 eclipse

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misunderstood his point, which was: there is no more energy coming from the sun at any given point during the eclipse than in a clear day. The sun isn't "sending" more energy on the path that aren't blocked, nor is the energy blocked going around the obstacle and concentrating on the areas still visibles. The reason for the damage is entirely due to the receiver behaving/being differently, be it your eyes…

"tricked into thinking it's dark" is kind of misleading, because it is in fact darker, but for some reason unknown to me there the energy from the sun harms you as much. I thought the issue with looking at its sun was its brightness, but i guess it isn't?

No it's not the brightness per se. What you perceive as "brightness" is the intensity of the part of the spectrum that is visible to you. But plenty of the non-visible spectrum has physiological effects, the infrared and UV spectrum. Most of the acute damage from the eclipse and the sun to eyes is not from UV as commonly believed but from the intensity of infrared that your eyes don't detect as "bright" but will cook them right well.

This is also why even relativlity low intensity infrared lasers are so dangerous.

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