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Re: Zillow forces McMansion Hell to delete posts

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post #69

I totally understand the whole "McMansions are bad architecture" thing... However, something about it really bothers me. There was an episode of 99% Invisible where the guest was talking about their McMansions blog and how it makes fun of these Horrid dwellings. The whole thing stank of classist elitism. The Wrong Type of people were getting the chance to design and build large houses, and of course they're applying…

I grew up in Northern Virginia among these McMansions, and frankly I don't buy the elitism angle. These folks have a lot of money (top 5% at least, if not even top 1%) and are among the best educated in the country. And these aren't dwellings driven by the need for functionality. It's not like people here have big families they need to house (empty nesters can afford them more readily than people with families!). The…

Most of the McMansions around where I grew up in Northern Va. were fairly cookie cutter. Their lack of architectural unity seemed to be more of "We have X types of garages, Y types of base floorplans and Z types of entryways and so we'll just iterate on them for the whole neighborhood"

This combined with the rapidly rising real-estate costs meant the builders threw in some of the architectural versions of Hofmeister kinks[1] to make them look more luxurious which (IMO) only made them look worse.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmeister_kink

Re: Zillow forces McMansion Hell to delete posts

#122
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a deep copy. Those images are still hosted via tumblr.

I fixed it. I thought when Firefox saved the Web Page complete, it was doing inline uuencoded binary as part of the the image tag. I was wrong. There's still a few hits to the 2 sites I updated, but no real content. The text and images (what actually matters here) is all IPFSified.

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Re: Zillow forces McMansion Hell to delete posts

#123

The Washington Post ran an article/video combo today[1] about Kate and McMansion Hell, and while Kate herself didn't mention Zillow the article itself did a few times. I imagine this is what prompted the legal threat. It's an entertaining video if you have five minutes. Also of note: Kate's twitter posts from this morning also indicate she has received threatening emails following the video[2], which is sadly not sur…

To add to your comment, she also posted the letter from Zillow to her twitter

https://twitter.com/mcmansionhell/status/879429709251137537

Re: Zillow forces McMansion Hell to delete posts

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Funny. One of the homes they showed is in my area, and I had driven by it recently (since we're thinking about moving). And they're definitely right. It's a weird mix of horribleness. Especially the kitchen with its "update", aka let's throw in a couple of premium appliances and $2k worth of marble and call it a day. http://www.mcmansionhell.com/post/162143229176/50-states-of-... https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/19…

> Especially the kitchen with its "update"

Wow. I really expected you were exaggerating but it really is terrible. There's not much square footage why the hell didn't they put in new cabinets at least?

Re: Zillow forces McMansion Hell to delete posts

#125

The Washington Post ran an article/video combo today[1] about Kate and McMansion Hell, and while Kate herself didn't mention Zillow the article itself did a few times. I imagine this is what prompted the legal threat. It's an entertaining video if you have five minutes. Also of note: Kate's twitter posts from this morning also indicate she has received threatening emails following the video[2], which is sadly not sur…

I honestly could not finish that video. She is as pretentious as the home owners she criticizes.

Re: Zillow forces McMansion Hell to delete posts

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post #69

I totally understand the whole "McMansions are bad architecture" thing... However, something about it really bothers me. There was an episode of 99% Invisible where the guest was talking about their McMansions blog and how it makes fun of these Horrid dwellings. The whole thing stank of classist elitism. The Wrong Type of people were getting the chance to design and build large houses, and of course they're applying…

http://mcmansionhell.tumblr.com/post/162204726406/looking-ar...

Perhaps you could read this post as to why the author is picking on McMansions in particular, and their stance on elitism, and give your take.

Personally, I don't get the impression of the blog authors intent that you are receiving.

Re: Zillow forces McMansion Hell to delete posts

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post #113
post #76

IANAL but we can do some harmless armchair lawyering... The 4 Factors of "fair use"[1]: >1. the purpose and character of your use. Criticism, critique. >2. the nature of the copyrighted work. Published photos used in website blog without ads. Also, the photos were not put into a compilation book to be sold at Amazon. However, Kate Wagner does say in twitter that "this blog is my entire livelihood" so it seems that so…

They're claiming ToS violation.

Which seems fishy to me… IANAL but without signing or hitting "I accept" to the terms, I haven't accepted the terms… I assume anyway. I could be wrong.

Re: Zillow forces McMansion Hell to delete posts

#129
post #113
post #76

IANAL but we can do some harmless armchair lawyering... The 4 Factors of "fair use"[1]: >1. the purpose and character of your use. Criticism, critique. >2. the nature of the copyrighted work. Published photos used in website blog without ads. Also, the photos were not put into a compilation book to be sold at Amazon. However, Kate Wagner does say in twitter that "this blog is my entire livelihood" so it seems that so…

They're claiming ToS violation.

I looked at the Four Factors Fair Use instead of Terms of Service because the twitter image of the Zillow cease & desist letter[1] mentioned it in their arguments.

Also, one can use Zillow without ever clicking "I Agree" to a ToS so I'm not sure if that's even contractually binding or has been tested in court.

[1] https://twitter.com/mcmansionhell/status/879429709251137537

Re: Zillow forces McMansion Hell to delete posts

#130
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if Zillow even has standing to sue over copyright because, as far as I can tell, Zillow gains the right to use agents' photos but there is no copyright transfer.

I believe in some cases a licensee also has standing to sue over copyright; e.g. if the licensee is granted an exclusive license.

Zillow is almost certainly not granted an exclusive license. Listing photos are posted on many sites simultaneously.

For example, this is the first listing I clicked on in Zillow. Immediately found the same listing on Redfin with the same photo watermarked by a 3rd party.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/240-Centre-St-New-York-NY...

https://www.redfin.com/NY/New-York/240-Centre-St-10013/home/...

I'm sure it's on various other MLS sites with photos as well. The real copyright holder is most likely the listing agent or possibly even the photographer, and chances are they have no desire to send C&D notices because "any publicity is good publicity."

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