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Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by int_19h »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #77
eropple wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Linux as a daily driver for fifteen years. I have shot my share of trouble and the next two guys' too. It's not a good experience . It's bad . Even when things aren't breaking left, right, and sideways (which, to be clear, definitely happens less often today than five years ago, with the corollary that that breakage is usually something a mere mortal can't do too much about), it feels kinda...well, sh…

It's not really my thing, but Plasma seems like a really solid desktop. What are your complaints with it? And I'll raise this point again: >You and people like you are the reason that it's not as good as it could be. I use Linux as my daily driver and it works extremely well. But if you continue to let it languish with a small market share because you can't be bothered to troubleshoot it for 10 minutes or maybe live…

> Using proprietary operating systems because Linux isn't there yet is a great way to keep Linux from getting there. It's a chicken and egg problem. What would you prefer: getting your privacy thourougly invaded by a proprietary operating system, or being there to help Linux gain market share and tip the scales? Even if it's not perfect, it's more than enough, and supporting it is the best choice.

The vast majority of people out there see computers (and other devices) as things that get stuff done, right now. They couldn't care less about proprietary vs open source, and the philosophy and the politics of the latter.

So there will never be a critical mass that will tip the scales, ever. You'll get the geeks going there because they care, trying to live with the inconveniences for a while, and then mostly going back to OS X (or even Windows), because they find other things to care about, and stop feeling like struggling with xorg.conf or NetworkManager or whatever is meaningfully "fighting against the system".

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by flukus »

cwyers wrote: post #106
mjevans wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a pretty broken configuration system that makes it needlessly difficult to do things the correct way.

It's a pretty shoddy security researcher that doesn't read the documentation before posting a lot of falsehoods to Twitter.

Shoddy or realistic? I'd hope more security researchers work with systems that aren't perfectly configured because they won't be in the real world.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by cwyers »

flukus wrote: post #122
cwyers wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a pretty shoddy security researcher that doesn't read the documentation before posting a lot of falsehoods to Twitter.

Shoddy or realistic? I'd hope more security researchers work with systems that aren't perfectly configured because they won't be in the real world.

There's a difference between "testing things on a reasonable reproduction of real-world systems" and "claiming Windows doesn't work correctly because you don't read the documentation."

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by mysterypie »

cwyers wrote: post #106
mjevans wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a pretty broken configuration system that makes it needlessly difficult to do things the correct way.

It's a pretty shoddy security researcher that doesn't read the documentation before posting a lot of falsehoods to Twitter.

> pretty shoddy security researcher that doesn't read the documentation

What an unnecessary insult. If you can read the incredibly confusing Microsoft documentation better than him (or any of us), then please post the definitive step-by-step instructions for turning off all telemetry and privacy-invasive connections in Windows 10.

Then we'll see if your insult was warranted.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by exergy »

int_19h wrote: post #121
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really my thing, but Plasma seems like a really solid desktop. What are your complaints with it? And I'll raise this point again: >You and people like you are the reason that it's not as good as it could be. I use Linux as my daily driver and it works extremely well. But if you continue to let it languish with a small market share because you can't be bothered to troubleshoot it for 10 minutes or maybe live…

> Using proprietary operating systems because Linux isn't there yet is a great way to keep Linux from getting there. It's a chicken and egg problem. What would you prefer: getting your privacy thourougly invaded by a proprietary operating system, or being there to help Linux gain market share and tip the scales? Even if it's not perfect, it's more than enough, and supporting it is the best choice. The vast majority o…

Hits too close to home. It's fun to have an i3wm as a dual boot because it makes me feel "1337". But all my CAD, FEA, CFD, modelling software, they all run better on Windows, if they even run on Linux at all.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by scott_karana »

fl0wenol wrote: post #58
DonkeyChan wrote: post #15

MS Support consistently and repeatedly told me that enterprise allowed me to disable this stuff. If I can't control the egress then I can't verify PCI compliance. I've already had to revert a client to Win 7 because they failed a PCI compliance audit using Win 10 Enterprise. Which, by the way, is very expensive for small businesses. Win 10 Enterprise isn't viable for business. I have a bunch of small business clients…

Use LTSB. Microsoft tries to scare you into not using it because it doesn't support the Windows store or Edge or have telemetry or any of that fun stuff. But they keep coming out with respins of it to otherwise keep feature parity with CB Enterprise. A 2017 LTSB based on 1703 should be out soon.

They already lied with Enterprise. What indication is there that LTSB editions won't suffer the same fate, if they haven't already?

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by cwyers »

mysterypie wrote: post #124
cwyers wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a pretty shoddy security researcher that doesn't read the documentation before posting a lot of falsehoods to Twitter.

> pretty shoddy security researcher that doesn't read the documentation What an unnecessary insult. If you can read the incredibly confusing Microsoft documentation better than him (or any of us), then please post the definitive step-by-step instructions for turning off all telemetry and privacy-invasive connections in Windows 10. Then we'll see if your insult was warranted.

So, I search for "teredo group policy" and here's the second link I find, a TechNet article with detailed screenshots about how to disable IPv6 via Group Policy, which is one of the things he talks about:

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/...

It shows how there's an Explain box that describes what the various settings do.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by Findeton »

DonkeyChan wrote: post #15

MS Support consistently and repeatedly told me that enterprise allowed me to disable this stuff. If I can't control the egress then I can't verify PCI compliance. I've already had to revert a client to Win 7 because they failed a PCI compliance audit using Win 10 Enterprise. Which, by the way, is very expensive for small businesses. Win 10 Enterprise isn't viable for business. I have a bunch of small business clients…

Or you could simply use Linux.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by cm2187 »

sqldba wrote: post #119
sathackr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went through the same thing last year. I spent two months trying to plug all the holes in the enterprise version, for a medium sized healthcare client, and eventually gave up. The LTSB edition looks promising but I haven't put it under the microscope yet.

From what I've heard from people running LTSB it's absolutely awful. Driver support is abysmal and lots of desired Windows features don't exist on it. There's apparently some new LTSB on its way but this aside it is not the panacea this thread makes it out to be.

Why would the drivers be different?
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