Here's your one step recipe to kill AMP: * Build fast webpages. The linked article says: "Yes, AMP pages load fast, but you don’t need AMP for fast-loading web pages." Well yes, but people don't build fast webpages without AMP. They could've done all the time, yet webpages got more sluggish over the years.
Building fast webpages won't get you preferential placement in Google search results.
Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
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Re: Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
#122"publication independence"? Really? The man who is famous among other things for supporting the most closed ecosystem there is around: iOS, where a single company decides what apps are worth publishing and wish ones doesn't. Or does newspaper publication independence is really that more important than software publication independence. The irony is so clear that it's weird that he didn't even mention it. That genie i…
While I get your point, your rebuttal is a pretty hardcore ad hominem.
Re: Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
#123AMP is Google's latest attempt to build a walled garden. It's more dangerous to the web than Facebook's WG because of Google's near-monopoly on search. AMP does indeed need to die in a very hot fire. And in the long term, it's high time somebody built a less creepy, better functioning search engine.
I personally don't really recommend StartPage because you can't get away from Google's opinionated ranking on a site that provides Google results.
But in short, use other search engines and they'll get better. Stop giving Google your search behavior, it's what they use to keep themselves on top.
Re: Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
AMP does NOT outperform HTML5 unless the HTML5 page is horribly designed and ridiculously bloated. But that can be fixed without Google's help. I'm not sure why your dismissive of the scrolling thing. Having something breaks the feel of the web browser is a really bad idea. Additionally he's completely right that it breaks other platform conventions that users expect to use. You can't use the share button, you can't…
I have to admit, I've been on iOS for years and only ever use Safari for browsing, and NEVER had I heard about this tap the top bar to scroll to the top behavior.
iOS is FULL of handy little things like that, but I'm not sure many of them are ever explained. You just have to stumble across it or read about it somewhere like reviews of the new versions of iOS.
Did you know in mail (and many other places) you can swipe table rows left or right for quick actions? Marco Arment recently changed Overcast to make features more visible because it seems many people, including power users, weren't even aware that gesture existed.
Now that I have an iPhone 7 re force-touch stuff can be very handy. But I forget it exists for weeks on end because I went so many years without it and it's totally hidden.
Re: Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
#125Ive forced myself to use Bing since google introduced AMP. Do I like it better than Google? No, I don't. But! I like not having google become my single source of content more than I dislike the slight drop in quality as a result of using Bing. I like the sites I go to, to have control over their content and being able to easily link to them. I think it's reprehensible for google to push this so relentlessly and beyon…
Checkout Duck Duck Go, still not Google-level results, but it's still pretty good, and not Bing.
Re: Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
#126Wait. I don't know of this feature. For example I attempted to tap my addresss bar on iOS but it just goes to change the address. How do I use this feature?
Re: Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
#127AMP is Google's latest attempt to build a walled garden. It's more dangerous to the web than Facebook's WG because of Google's near-monopoly on search. AMP does indeed need to die in a very hot fire. And in the long term, it's high time somebody built a less creepy, better functioning search engine.
Bing works fine. The more people use them, the better they'll get. DuckDuckGo mostly feeds off other engines, but is also good. I personally don't really recommend StartPage because you can't get away from Google's opinionated ranking on a site that provides Google results. But in short, use other search engines and they'll get better. Stop giving Google your search behavior, it's what they use to keep themselves on…
BTW, Cloudflare has an AMP cache as well....
Re: Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
#128"publication independence"? Really? The man who is famous among other things for supporting the most closed ecosystem there is around: iOS, where a single company decides what apps are worth publishing and wish ones doesn't. Or does newspaper publication independence is really that more important than software publication independence. The irony is so clear that it's weird that he didn't even mention it. That genie i…
First of all, that's an ad hominem. If publication independence is important, then it remains important whether Gruber is hypocritical about it or not.
Second, one might want apps to be curated (for the better experience), but stand for independence from control and censorship when it comes to journalism and personal commentary.
And indeed, one can think that "newspaper publication independence" is really far more important than software publication independence. The main difference being of course that Apple controlling apps is a huge inconvenience to those being rejected, but not so much to the users (especially with 1.5 million other apps to chose from). Whereas someone controlling the news is bad for the readers.
>That genie is out of the box, when you decided that you didn't mind a company gatekeeping which software you can install on "your" devices you opened that can of worms, the one where any company can gatekeep anything they want as long as it is "convenient" for most people.
Actually there's nothing (no law of physics or history for example) to force someone being ok with the one (company control of its walled app store) to be ok with other (company controlling content publication). You can be angry and/or stop and/or speak against any combination of the two.
Re: Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
AMP does NOT outperform HTML5 unless the HTML5 page is horribly designed and ridiculously bloated. But that can be fixed without Google's help. I'm not sure why your dismissive of the scrolling thing. Having something breaks the feel of the web browser is a really bad idea. Additionally he's completely right that it breaks other platform conventions that users expect to use. You can't use the share button, you can't…
They said AMP outputs HTML5, not outperforms it.
Obviously its not a third party native plugin, so it should output some kind of HTML5 content to play in browsers, even if it was just a canvas view.
Re: Kill Google AMP before it kills the web
#130Here's your one step recipe to kill AMP: * Build fast webpages. The linked article says: "Yes, AMP pages load fast, but you don’t need AMP for fast-loading web pages." Well yes, but people don't build fast webpages without AMP. They could've done all the time, yet webpages got more sluggish over the years.
Building fast webpages won't get you preferential placement in Google search results.