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Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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cracell wrote: post #116
azernik wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since this is project is coming out of the voat.co community, I expect the community will be more toxic than Reddit's, not less. EDIT: The article implies a connection, but as cracell pointed out, there is in fact no association, even historical or in personnel.

Lead developer says it has nothing to do with voat here https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/5qhz99/... 'The whole thing is based on voting which is why it has "vote" in it. It has nothing to do with voat.co. I guarantee that'

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Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by djsumdog »

azernik wrote: post #111
aphextron wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree it's not perfect but we seriously need a reddit alternative. The community there is simply too toxic and I've had to quit it. If there were a HN like community centered around regular news aggregation I would be sooo happy. As is, it's impossible to find a news feed I trust anymore. Google news is infiltrated with fake clickbait nonsense, and I wont even get started on Facebook.

Since this is project is coming out of the voat.co community, I expect the community will be more toxic than Reddit's, not less. EDIT: The article implies a connection, but as cracell pointed out, there is in fact no association, even historical or in personnel.

Voat has a couple of issues.

First, it took in a lot of people from banned subreddits (/r/coontown, fatpeoplehate, etc.) Unlike the great Digg 4.0 to Reddit migration, they didn't a huge chunk of Reddit. They just got the most controversial.

Second, It tried to be a full Reddit clone with tons of subverses. Reddit started out with just a few categories and slowly expanded out to user generated subreddits. That has to grow slowly over time with your userbase. Since Voat started with that, it has a ton of abandoned subverses that one one posts in anymore.

Voat is a pretty bad cespool of hatred right now. There's occasionally good stuff on there, but a lot of it is conservative garbage. People who have tried to turn it around are so outnumbered that they just leave.

With that said, Voat is open source (written in C# I believe), just like Reddit.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by 0xCMP »

Honestly, I don't even like reddit for some reason. I can only handle HN. I tried Imzy and others before too. I always come back to HN.

I feel like more of these websites may be able to succeed (not sure Reddit has a network effect that could prevent another site from coming up), but I'm not sure how necessary it is.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by ehsankia »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #115
aphextron wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree it's not perfect but we seriously need a reddit alternative. The community there is simply too toxic and I've had to quit it. If there were a HN like community centered around regular news aggregation I would be sooo happy. As is, it's impossible to find a news feed I trust anymore. Google news is infiltrated with fake clickbait nonsense, and I wont even get started on Facebook.

> The community there is simply too toxic and I've had to quit it. Which community? There are thousands of subreddits. Are you talking about the people who use the default front-page subreddits?

All of 4chan is one community. All of Twitch is one community. All of reddit is one community.

Youtube sucks because it has videos that pander to kids. Twitter sucks because it because it's because talking about their mundane life. Facebook sucks because it's people sharing fake news.

In social media, whenever you're having a bad time, it's most like your fault. When you say X sucks, You're really saying that your friends / the people you're following / the communities you visit suck.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by ajacksified »

nulagrithom wrote: post #82
snomad wrote: post #48

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> who's gonna switch to this I wonder if the removal of CSS from the subreddits will give other message boards a chance to splinter off some of the community.

I think they backtracked on the CSS removal. Still, something like CSS removal, spezgiving, or Pao happening again could easily trigger a migration. Voat didn't take off simply because it couldn't handle the load when those events occurred.

Reddit has been through a lot. (I went through three CEOs during my 3-year tenure there.) At this point, I can't imagine a scandal worse than spezgiving- the only way Reddit will die is a slow fade into irrelevance, rather than a Digg-style calamity- and I certainly hope not, as a Reddit addict.

Also, I have a theory that the "no more css" and "okay some css" was a carefully crafted maneuver, rather than a real backtrack.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by ehsankia »

znpy wrote: post #78

Signed up, wandered around, here are my impression. * Nothing fancy, nothing new, nothing impressive. I wouldn't spend time on this site. * The graphical design wasters most of my screen estate. * The side panel overlaps with the content when the window is not in full-screen. * If you register without an email, it is impossible to add one. * Did I mention that 60% of my screen estate is wasted ? * Reddit is open sour…

I get 2.5 stories on my laptop screen... This has to be a cruel joke. On reddit I can see up to 10. Although I've been hearing things about reddit wanting to revamp their UI. I really hope they don't, their minimal simple UI is the main thing I like about reddit and hackernews.

And not being able to browse news without account means it'll never pick up.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by ehsankia »

dkhenry wrote: post #15
imran3740 wrote: post #9

As with voat.co, who's gonna switch to this? Really the only people who switched over to Voat are the people who felt reddit was restricting their rights by posting controversial/hateful material on reddit. So it tends to be full of /pol-like MRAs/extreme right/alt-right users. Voten seems like it's trying to implement a more democratic system, but who will be pushed into switching over to that?

I dunno, with the recent changes reddit has been rolling out it is no longer a nice place to visit. There is so much hate and anger on the front page and so little good content. I could make an account, but it seems like they shadow ban everyone except for bots ( and not just for content, the last two times I was shadow banned it was because I logged in from my office IP address which they deemed was "gaming" votes )

Do you mean /r/all? Because you can just filter out bad subreddits and filter out bad subreddits...

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by ehsankia »

codelitt wrote: post #57

I know a lot of people are rather pessimistic about a Reddit competitor gaining traction, but on a technology and UX note they've done a great job. I signed up on mobile and browsed around. The user experience is miles ahead of Reddit's new mobile web client. Pages load instantly, everything is smooth, scaled well, and no tiny text to click. Well executed IMHO. Regarding being a Reddit competitor, if they can get the…

> but on a [...] UX note they've done a great job

Really? Their UI is bloated and ridiculous. On my laptop screen I can see a whopping two stories per page, compared to 10 on reddit. It's confusing, crammed and poorly designed. There's a big useless sidebar on the left where your eye automatically goes to, instead of the content.

It looks exactly like the project of young webdevs straight out of school who are using all the fancy hip new tech and just learned about material design.

EDIT: One quick example of "not putting content first". Take a given story. At the very top, in big, we have the username and their avatar. So to kick off, it seems more like Twitter/Facebook than reddit. The user posting is given more importance than the content itself...

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