Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

38north.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 177 posts

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

#121

Post by devoply »

dingaling wrote: post #104
dmos62 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a recent talk by Chomsky, he described US Air Force literature or rather documentation of the Korean conflict. Apparently the bombing was so thorough, they ran out of targets in North Korea. Not only military, but infrastructure and cities as well, as I recall. One of the impressive things about post '53 North Korea is that they did a complete rebuild.

There was a lot of pressure from the operations level to expand bombing into China, which tactically made a lot of sense; NK and Chinese MiGs retreated across the Yalu River each night and there were plenty of worthwhile targets such as supply dumps and routes. However the JCS denied all such requests and remarkably there were only two or three violations during the entire war, such as the August 1950 strafing-attack…

Imagine what the world would be like today had they bombed the shit out of China. No way in hell you repair a relationship like that.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

#122

Post by tyingq »

devoply wrote: post #50
leggomylibro wrote: post #35

This is a terrifying manifestation of what technology makes trivially possible. This device: * Logs every app and web page that you open. * Keeps forensics on shared files based on hashes, to track networks of like-minded dissidents or individuals sharing similar files. * Refuses to open any files which are not signed by either the government, or the device which created the file. (e.g. photos can be viewed only on t…

Yeah and if North Korea can do stuff like this, it means anyone can do stuff like this. It's trivial enough to do at this point.

You can even buy it online: http://www.mobile-spy.com/screenshots.html

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

#123

Post by giancarlostoro »

Kluny wrote: post #77
Heliosmaster wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with you, but i think that technically we're still trusting Google to not collect it anymore. I don't see it anything other than "Please google do not track this". Are we able to verify 100% that data is still not being collected?

You use a packet sniffer to see all your local network traffic and make sure you can account for every request.

A really weird moment for me was when I took away the ability from my phone to access my microphone from all apps, and yet when I say "Ok Google" the "Google" App opens up and then tries to ask me for Microphone access. I'm running an LG G5 with all stock Android and updates installed. It's a little creepy that an app with no access to my Mic can ask for said access when I say something to my Mic. My guess is the "Ok Google" functionality is at the OS level and not at the App level.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

#124

Post by quirkafleeg »

krapp wrote: post #113
briandear wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nanjing. Unit 731. Korean comfort women, Korean cultural genocide. How do you propose we win a war against people like that? It took not one, but TWO atomic bombs to force a surrender. Tokyo was prepared to fight to the last person. The only way to win that war was to bomb them into oblivion. That was a choice the Japanese made. The Japanese military engaged in unimaginable atrocities and despite being nearly annihil…

>The Japanese has plenty of opportunities to surrender but they kept fighting and fighting and fighting. It's odd how this is portrayed as a negative aspect of Japan's militarism, when the Allies were fighting the same war with the same attitude.

Particularly when it's not even true. The Japanese wanted to surrender long before the Bomb was dropped, on condition that the Emperor remain in place.

The US insisted on unconditional surrender, prolonging the fighting and resulting in the atom bomb attacks, then ended up accepting the Japanese condition anyway.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

#125

Post by ourmandave »

sametmax wrote: post #63
abalashov wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wonder where they source the talent and expertise with these platforms necessary to pull something like this off. I understand that's kind of a naive question—any functional state has sufficient resources to solve such problems for itself—but one does wonder. I can only assume there was extensive Chinese help. They definitely have the critical mass of engineering ecosystem for that sort of endeavour.

No. They killed they intellectual elite and added a system in place to make sure they will never grow a new one. The reality is way worst: some company from our countries accepted a contract with NK and built that for them. I know that my country, France, is actually pretty famous for their surveillance technology. We have companies such as Amesys that have been caught blatantly selling huge systems for spying on ent…

Would NK trust a Western country to make their spy tech?

I'd be worried about getting free rootkit updates from the CIA and UK spooks.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

#127

Post by jpindar »

ioulian wrote: post #65
fluxem wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, basically Android? Except, you don't get shot in the back. With Android, it automatically syncs Contacts and photos to the "Cloud", unless you disable it. But, you cannot do it 100%, because it's turn on by default when you first sign in. Also, it's not a secret that Google logs your locations history.

I don't fully understand that this comment is downvoted. He has a point there. We are all being tracked, just see your history [1] on the google website. It tracks the websites you've visited, the video's you've watched, music I've played, things I've searched, App's I've used (Camera for example), directions I've searched (google maps), ads I've seen, cards in my feed (google now), my location history (actually very…

That site shows no activity for me (and I use an Android phone, Gmail, and other Google products all the time).

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

#128

Post by d0lph »

Paul_S wrote: post #59

Funny thing capitalism, I have a more robust version of this on my work PC (seriously, makes this look amateurish). Except of course I have the "choice" to not accept it and go work for someone else.

You highlight choice like you're being sarcastic, but is there anything that stops you from looking for a job? If it's a big deal to you you'll make it a priority, if it's not a big deal to you you'll stay where you are.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

#129

Post by charles-salvia »

krapp wrote: post #113
briandear wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nanjing. Unit 731. Korean comfort women, Korean cultural genocide. How do you propose we win a war against people like that? It took not one, but TWO atomic bombs to force a surrender. Tokyo was prepared to fight to the last person. The only way to win that war was to bomb them into oblivion. That was a choice the Japanese made. The Japanese military engaged in unimaginable atrocities and despite being nearly annihil…

>The Japanese has plenty of opportunities to surrender but they kept fighting and fighting and fighting. It's odd how this is portrayed as a negative aspect of Japan's militarism, when the Allies were fighting the same war with the same attitude.

> It's odd how this is portrayed as a negative aspect of Japan's militarism, when the Allies were fighting the same war with the same attitude.

That's not the point, obviously. The point is Japan's militarism combined with their utter over-the-top brutality and expansionist agenda.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

#130

Post by linkmotif »

tstactplsignore wrote: post #52
linkmotif wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My grandfather was head of the main construction "trust" in Kiev and a member of the communist party. Thus he was head of all construction in the city. He was part and parcel of the system that all together constituted what really was rightfully called the Evil Empire. A true prison. Was he evil? No. For him it was his job. He had a passion for construction and building. But he did nothing to subvert the Soviet way o…

That's very interesting- Thanks for the response.

Thanks for your responses. I'm not often moved to make long comments but this "tablet computer" and the apparatus that was necessary to create it really hit me hard for some reason. So real.
Post reply on HN