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Re: An off-grid social network

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Post by rattray »

mysticmumble wrote: post #80
staltz wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes and no. The log will show a different id (public key) which authored the message. But the device itself (iPhone or Google Nexus or whatever) doesn't need to be mentioned.

That could leak information a user doesn't want to be leaked, like at which hours he is at work (using the work computer) etc. Which id belongs to which device could probably be inferred when the service is used actively. I understand that transparency might not be a design goal or techinically possible, I'm just raising the concern. Can't I just share my private key across multiple devices?

Those sound like pretty unavoidable, and often acceptable, drawbacks.

Re: An off-grid social network

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Post by cowardlydragon »

wesleytodd wrote: post #9
wesleytodd wrote: post #7

Since the author didnt mention it, the original creator of the patchwork project is https://github.com/pfrazee When I used it, which admitedly was a long time ago now, the biggest setback was lack of cross device identities. So I ended up having two accounts with two feeds, `wesAtWork` and `wes`. Maybe they have solved this by now. ps. Does patchwork still have the little gif maker? Because that was a super fun featu…

Also, because Paul has awesome projects, and deserves some attention when a project of his makes it to the top of HN but doesn't even mention him, he is working on a browser for the distributed web called Beaker (I am using it to write this now), and it is awesome. https://github.com/beakerbrowser/beaker

very very cool.

although forking a website so easily also makes spoofing very easy...

Re: An off-grid social network

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Post by allannienhuis »

fiatjaf wrote: post #101
allannienhuis wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm all ears" is simply a common idiom for asking you to suggest alternatives. Not sure why that upsets you?

Because it is rude and a lie. Also, your last phrase doesn't make any sense.

I guess rude is in the eye of the beholder? :) Your response seemed rude to me (challenging the use of a pretty common phrase to elicit elaboration), which is why I suggested you were upset. Subtleties and true intention are often lost in written communication... :)

Re: An off-grid social network

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Post by cowardlydragon »

vhodges wrote: post #37

I've been thinking about this very thing the past few days! Forgive the rambling, this is the first time I've written any of this down... My idea is to use email as a transport for 'social attachments' that would be read using a custom mail client (it remains to be seen if it should be your regular email client or have it be just your 'social mail' client. But... if using another client as regular email, users would…

scuttlebutt has sneakernet options it appears. Email is just another transport mechanism.

So your approach should work in theory within the described framework.

Re: An off-grid social network

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Post by rattray »

crypt0x wrote: post #45
ISL wrote: post #25

The storage requirements are tremendous, though, right? If I want to have access to everything that's been shared with me, I have to store it all. In the case of images, the storage burden can get large quickly.

Well.. I've been on there for quite some time, granted it's been not mega active but here is a rundown of how much it took until now: there is the main sigchain database, which stores all the messages (following, posts, ....) which is now 150megs in size and there is the blobs (binary attachments like images) which is about 500megs in size. YMMV depending on how many catpictures your friend share ofc. The flipside to…

How would that change if you had, say, 5,000 friends – the fb limit, which some people do reach – who were posting multimedia content multiple times a day (which happens on fb)?

Is the protocol set up in such a way as to enable easy, automatic deletion of old data from local devices, while still storing them for easy search/scroll-based access on the Pub servers?

Re: An off-grid social network

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Post by gonehome »

DenisM wrote: post #117

My friends and I have thought this through in detail a while ago, and have a few suggestions to make. I hope you make the best of it! Distributed identity Allow me to designate trusted friends / custodians. Store fractions of my private key with them, so that they can rebuild the key if I lost mine. They should also be able to issue a "revocation as of certain date" if my key is compromised, and vouch for my new key…

For the distributed identity piece is there a good reason not to rely on keybase.io?

Also important that an initial smaller community would be targeted and that it would succeed there. FB did this will colleges, a federated one would in a world where FB already exists would have an even harder time.

Re: An off-grid social network

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Post by allannienhuis »

dceddia wrote: post #119
allannienhuis wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm all ears" is simply a common idiom for asking you to suggest alternatives. Not sure why that upsets you?

It's an idiom that can imply entirely different meaning depending on its inflection, though, which obviously translates terribly over text. "I'm all ears" said in a positive tone can be "Absolutely I agree, I'd love to hear your ideas". "I'm all ears" in a negative tone is more like "Prove it. I don't think you have any ideas to this unsolvable problem." All a matter of interpretation, I suppose :) (and fwiw I don't…

Great point. I didn't consider that the phrase could be interpreted in an criticising sense, but of course your right that verbally it can be done that way. Writing is hard. :P

Re: An off-grid social network

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Post by platz »

gonehome wrote: post #126
DenisM wrote: post #117

My friends and I have thought this through in detail a while ago, and have a few suggestions to make. I hope you make the best of it! Distributed identity Allow me to designate trusted friends / custodians. Store fractions of my private key with them, so that they can rebuild the key if I lost mine. They should also be able to issue a "revocation as of certain date" if my key is compromised, and vouch for my new key…

For the distributed identity piece is there a good reason not to rely on keybase.io? Also important that an initial smaller community would be targeted and that it would succeed there. FB did this will colleges, a federated one would in a world where FB already exists would have an even harder time.

> distributed identity piece is there a good reason not to rely on keybase.io

Depends on your definition of "distributed", I suppose

Re: An off-grid social network

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Post by [deleted] »

rattray wrote: post #125
crypt0x wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well.. I've been on there for quite some time, granted it's been not mega active but here is a rundown of how much it took until now: there is the main sigchain database, which stores all the messages (following, posts, ....) which is now 150megs in size and there is the blobs (binary attachments like images) which is about 500megs in size. YMMV depending on how many catpictures your friend share ofc. The flipside to…

How would that change if you had, say, 5,000 friends – the fb limit, which some people do reach – who were posting multimedia content multiple times a day (which happens on fb)? Is the protocol set up in such a way as to enable easy, automatic deletion of old data from local devices, while still storing them for easy search/scroll-based access on the Pub servers?

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