UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
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Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#122Best ban everything that can be misused by terrorists... cars, knives, encrypted messaging.
that's the blindspot isn't it ? What's the one common thing about recent terrorist acts ? Vehicles used as weapons. Yet nobody's calling for a ban on the use of vehicles
Even one level up... Since when is a crazy individual with a knife in a car a terrorist? He's just a crazy idiot and we should call him so. If this is modern day terrorism we have nothing to be worried about.
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#123So when they discover that he wrote and sent actual letters, will they then demand access to open our mail?
Also: Will breaking encryption stop a man grabbing a knife and jumping into his car? No.
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#124How about they look into their business partner Saudi Arabia first? It sounds like as if they let this country poison the minds of mentally ill people in hope the attacks they carry on could be used as an excuse to expand control of the society. Use of this tragedy to do just that is simply disgusting and put in question what government is actually doing.
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#125Even though the article mentions specifically about UK, there are many in the US who hold the same belief. If you want to ban encryption because terrorists might misuse it, what about Guns? Then it is a matter of "freedom".
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder how they are not even busy explaining how this could happen with all that surveillance already in place. I mean no camera jumped down the pole to stop the car...
She did admit during the interview that these incidents couldn't be completely stopped.
The point is, that they can't be stopped at all.
There is a way to suspect someone may at some point, which is what the UK security apparatus is aiming for but this kind of profiling will end up being a psychological analysis of whole groups of the population. The results won't be great for any of us.
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#127How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.
> How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It's basically impossible. One can also use steganography to hide messages in lolcat pictures, or music files. The only way to prevent this, I think, is to start a totalitarian surveillance state where using Free or custom software or hardware is punishable by death. Even then, I'm not sure this will be enough.
Given that even the most totalitarian states eventually fail and don't ever have complete and total control over the entire populace, I think you're correct that it will not be enough.
What they really need is to invent time travel, and murder Ada Lovelace.
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#128How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.
How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? That's not an issue. Writing solid encryption software is very difficult on its own. You will hear "do not roll your own crypto" all the time from security experts. We don't live in a James Bond universe and it's beyond the reach of terrorist organisations.
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#129> "That is my view - it is completely unacceptable, there should be no place for terrorists to hide." I am sure a ban on encryption would work. Hey, guys, I just had a great idea. Let's ban bombs, knifes, and driving into people. That would fix the terrorism problem. Once it is illegal, no terrorist would dare do it!!! I'm wondering why Churchill didn't think to ban the Enigma machine. If only England was led by smar…
...we've all been there in US before 1999 where exporting strong crypto had $1mln penalty with long prison terms, basically classified together with chemical/biological weapons.
It was recognised that it's impossible to enforce, ie. PGP is there, in general tech is just available to anyone and what about research papers and academia? Treat them as criminals? Even if banned in UK, it's available in the rest of the world.
It would be nice if politicians were banned from saying stupid things.
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#130> She said it was a case of getting together "the best people who understand the technology, who understand the necessary hashtags" Our Government is an absolute disgrace; and unfortunately, one to which there is currently no credible, strong opposition. (from https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewchampion/necessary-hashtags )
And if the best people who understand the technology and 'all the necessary hashtags' say it can't be done?
Because that's where we're at currently.