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Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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post #25

When I came to the US in 2000 it was a fairly optimistic and happy place. Now when I read stuff like this I always get reminded how this country went from pretty open to being scared, irrational and mean in the last 15 or so years.

With each passing day, I become even more satisfied with my decision to leave the United States behind.

It's sad to watch the country I was born in dying, but it's a lot safer doing so on the other side of the world.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal pet peeve is when people say things like "we live in a dangerous world now". No, we don't. At least, not more dangerous than before (which is the implication). We might be breathlessly focused on some dangers, but those dangers are LESS than before, not more. I don't want anyone to suffer, and definitely don't want anyone to die. I'm not calling for turning our backs on every idea to improve safety. Just…

I always liked to point "we live in a dangerous world now" folks here: http://www.vrc.crim.cam.ac.uk/vrcresearch/paperdownload/manu... - in particular the graph on the third page.

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Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's zero question it's intentionally narrowly targeting Islamic terrorism at best, and at worst is a staging ground for how much power of restriction they now have (or can get away with) when it comes to those sorts of things. The same way phone searches are a trial balloon that will inevitably spread to not just the general population at airports but the local / state law enforcement as well. My point is specifi…

> Interestingly, it might result in fewer laptop searches at the airports (whereas they might have asked someone to open / turn on / provide a password), among that targeted population. I don't think that's right. Such demands are not generally made at airport security at the origin, but at the CBP checkpoint at the arrival airport. There, passengers have already retrieved checked bags.

Origin checks are used to prove that the electronic device is not a container for a bomb. (If it boots and looks normal, it probably is.)

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

#125
This affects people from many countries, not just the seven or eight targeted initially. For example, I stay in India, and if I visit the US, I may fly via Dubai.

Which means, in turn, that I'm less likely to visit. Why take a 20-hour flight and subject myself to "extreme vetting"?

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

#126
post #2

I have no idea what the point of this is.

> the ban will apply to nonstop flights to the U.S. from 10 airports in eight countries in the Middle East and North Africa Personal electronics are near-indispensable. By restricting their carry from Muslim countries, freedom of movement to and from those countries is significantly curtailed. This is about getting around the illegality of the Muslim ban without banning any persons or groups. This is about "cultural…

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Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

#127

What brave people Americans are lately. Afraid of an iPad being used on a plane.

Only naivety would lead someone to lump all Americans together and claim they are collectively responsible for this.

Also, America is a big place [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

#128
If it is going to place burdensome carry on restrictions on people the US government could at least explain why the measures are necessary.

At the rate we are going, it's not going to be long before you will not be allowed to bring any carry on luggage at all when flying from certain airports. Maybe everyone should fly naked. Who knows, someone might have plastic explosives sewn into their clothes. Wait, what if someone swallows the explosives? Maybe everyone should be forced to take an emetic and get a colonoscopy before flying.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

#129
post #62

I'm convinced this ban is motivated by a protectionist desire from the US-based airlines, to dissuade business travelers from flying on Middle Eastern airlines like Emirates and Qatar, which necessarily transit through countries like the UAE. If you're someone who flies for work, there's no way you're going to take a flight where you can't use your laptop.

Are the listed airlines the only ones that have direct flights to the US?

United and Delta cut their nonstops to Dubai a while back, so yes, most likely.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

#130

likely Homeland Security wants to be able to search the contents of the laptops - easier to do this when they're checked.

On the plus side, it's harder to compel you to decrypt your disk if you're nowhere near it at the time.
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