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GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by cookiecaper »

hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

They're not really able to attract much talent. Look through the LinkedIn of some of the GitLab people. A lot of them are very junior (this is the first "real job" for one guy I looked up), and they, rather clearly, have an amateur leadership team, as exhibited by their recent spectacular failures, their underwhelming commentary on remote team management, their naive idealistic implementation of "radical transparency", and their grossly inadequate compensation calculator.

Most likely, one of their founders is technically adept, there are a small number of other experienced people onboard because they incidentally live in areas where the compensation calculator doesn't screw them, and most others are riding on those coattails.

GitLab is really a sad story of lost potential. Most of the time, you can't fix these kinds of problems, because they start at the top and flow down (and you usually can't replace the top). A well-engineered GitLab alternative would be welcome.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by danialtz »

extra88 wrote: post #117
jensvdh wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Github enterprise offers exactly that. An "On premises" Github.

Gitlab Enterprise pricing starts at $39/user whereas Github Enterprise pricing starts at $250/user so from that perspective Gitlab kicks ass.

where did you see GHE asks for $250/user? seems the most expensive package is $21 [1].

[1] https://github.com/pricing

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

StavrosK wrote: post #76
LyndsySimon wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First and foremost for me are protected branches. For everywhere I've worked, giving someone commit access to the main repository means giving them the ability to rewrite history on the release branch as well. GitLab solves that nicely by allowing committers to append only to protected branches by default. I'm also warming to the idea of treating CI as "pipelines", and find myself thinking of tooling more in that way…

GitHub has that too, I noticed the other day. I still think Gitlab is much better, and use it by default for everything new, but fair's fair :P I love the integrated CI, though, and the use cases it enables. I love that I can just make a pipeline that lints, tests and compiles my code and then, if all of those pass, ends with deploying it to production. There are many more Gitlab features I like a lot, and the fact t…

It took forever for GitHub to get protected branches. It was quite frustrating. Glad they finally have it though.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by sytse »

sandGorgon wrote: post #109

@sytse - this is huge. You can move the YC internal slack to gitter as well ;) But seriously - people are willing to throw money for an enterprise gitter - especially after https://medium.freecodecamp.com/so-yeah-we-tried-slack-and-w... Look at the number of people begging Discord to take money from them - https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-... gitter always had search working - discord just…

Thanks Sandeep. We assume that it is easier to charge money to enterprises than open source communities. If we see strong adoption and feature requests from the enterprise we'll consider adopting an open-core model and charging for it. For now the adoption is mainly from open source communities and we think of our costs as a marketing expense.

Do you know of any enterprises using Gitter?

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by yuhong »

cookiecaper wrote: post #121
hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

They're not really able to attract much talent. Look through the LinkedIn of some of the GitLab people. A lot of them are very junior (this is the first "real job" for one guy I looked up), and they, rather clearly, have an amateur leadership team, as exhibited by their recent spectacular failures, their underwhelming commentary on remote team management, their naive idealistic implementation of "radical transparency…

Are there evidence that the founders are not willing to learn or something like that.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by Ajedi32 »

danialtz wrote: post #122
extra88 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gitlab Enterprise pricing starts at $39/user whereas Github Enterprise pricing starts at $250/user so from that perspective Gitlab kicks ass.

where did you see GHE asks for $250/user? seems the most expensive package is $21 [1]. [1] https://github.com/pricing

From this page: https://enterprise.github.com/features

$21 is per-month. Per-year that works out to $250/user. If we're going by the month, GitLab's pricing is $3.25/user.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by webo »

hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

Senior Backend Engineer shows 85-95k in Chicago, which is below average. It shows 45-55k for Fayetteville -- most junior guys/gals start around 75k in Fayetteville at mediocre companies.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by dragonwriter »

danialtz wrote: post #122
extra88 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gitlab Enterprise pricing starts at $39/user whereas Github Enterprise pricing starts at $250/user so from that perspective Gitlab kicks ass.

where did you see GHE asks for $250/user? seems the most expensive package is $21 [1]. [1] https://github.com/pricing

$21/user/month billed annually in packs of 10 (what your source says) would be $252/user/year in $2520 increments. It's actually (per the GHE features page) $2500/year for each 10 user pack though, which is $250/user/year.

GitLab Enterprise Starter is $39/user/year, and GitLab Enterprise Premium is $199/user/year.

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