What does a product manager leader do? I mean "do" in the "actual productivity" meaning.
Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
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Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Based on what? Racist misconceptions about how hiring processes work?
Why can't it be based on HN demographics?
Which demographics? The one that has never been measured or published? (Except for age, which is not mentioned)
Or the one that exists in the stereotypes and imaginations of people futilely trying to find discrimination where there is none?
Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> This is terrible advice. As soon as you start the job, the people who interviewed you will wonder why your accent is totally different That's not quite how accent reduction works. I think the goal is to be clear and understandable in the interview. The accent would have no weight on his professional capabilities.
Is being clear and understandable not an important professional capability? If not, then why does the interview require it?
Many people find it uncomfortable to listen to accent. Interviewer feels uncomfortable around you, so he is less likely to hire you. It has nothing to do with ability to do the job.
Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
#124What are you willing to sacrifice? I can give you an answer, but you won't like it. As an Indian man you'll be discriminated against. Period. Lots of empirical proof for that, not just job wise but in lots of other cases (dating, etc). While folks here will give you lots of tips on the professional side, here are a few actionable things you can do to minimize racial bias: - Change your name to an americanized version…
No offence, some of this is dubious and degrading advice at best. Don't mean to be mean below in deconstructing the above, only clear. Current heritage CEO of Google and Microsoft prove some things. You don't choose things like the family you're born into or the colour of your skin. It's humiliating to be treated in a way to try to cover it up like you made a mistake of choosing those things. Americanized name - If p…
A few of your remarks are solid in an ideological sense, but sadly the bulk of your comment comes across as "white dude mansplaining to an indian dude why he doesn't have to worry about racism".
Racism is alive and well, and a real problem that people have to deal with. Advice like "embrace your proud geek culture and be your own person learning and pursuing the things that interest you" is generic feel good woowoo that is just not relevant here.
"11) Don't take advice from people who don't have experience with what they are giving advice on. Like the post above in some cases."
Or like yours, as someone "born and raised in North America, [who] speaks perfect english"
Sorry man, but sometimes you have to accept that you don't have much to bring to a conversation, no matter how strongly you feel about it.
tl;dr: the post you replied to is linking freaking research papers to support what it says and your reply is "don't worry just think positive and everything will be fine"
Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
#125If you hate your current job get away there as fast as you can. Maybe it's a good start to get interviewed for one of the other roles as you said? Why not?
Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
#126Not to be mean spirited, but it sounds like you either need to learn how to close or you are going for positions you really aren't a good fit for. I've gotten every job I've ever interviewed for that I really wanted. In the end, it's about perception and desire. If you don't go in acting like you deserve the job and can be an asset to the company, you are not likely to get an offer. You also have to be able to sell y…
"You also have to be able to sell yourself as the perfect fit." - i hate this one most. I don't give a rat's ass about marketing - I'm a developer and not a salesman. 9 of 10 companies are doing this.
Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
#127Not to be mean spirited, but it sounds like you either need to learn how to close or you are going for positions you really aren't a good fit for. I've gotten every job I've ever interviewed for that I really wanted. In the end, it's about perception and desire. If you don't go in acting like you deserve the job and can be an asset to the company, you are not likely to get an offer. You also have to be able to sell y…
"You also have to be able to sell yourself as the perfect fit." - i hate this one most. I don't give a rat's ass about marketing - I'm a developer and not a salesman. 9 of 10 companies are doing this.
Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
We don't do this but it might appear that way to a candidate. We're hiring people of all levels and if someone comes in who we feel we like but at a lower level we'll offer them that level instead.
My experience inside and out of companies has been that this tactic is employed quite a bit. I really dislike it but it's the truth. Everyone wants a top notch team and sometimes the only way to get amazing people in less amazing roles is to bait and switch them. You are getting someone who is likely zero risk and will be highly successful in a lower role. And if you ever actually need someone in the higher level rol…
"And if you ever actually need someone in the higher level role you have someone who can do it."
Assuming that person stays long enough. I would expect either high turnover or low morale in such workplace. Partly because people resent being lied to and this is apparent, partly because the company is full of people on positions they did not wanted to do.
Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
#129You mentioned about 4 companies - Are you in Indian Outsourced companies? Now you trying to join startups? If so,sorry to say, there is wide spread perception, most Indian outsourced managers are not technically good. I agree with them too.
If you are one of those rare exception and technically sound person, then you need to keep trying to overcome the general perception created by fellow Indian managers. Good luck.
Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and not then followed it up with something arrogant and dickish I remember a comedian saying that he likes to say "I don't want to sound racist, but" and then follow it up with something that actually wasn't racist. As in "I don't want to sound racist, but do you have the time?" or "I don't want to sound racist, but can you tell me the way to High St?"
I wish I could remember which comedian this was, I distinctly recall the line as "I don't mean to sound racist, but could you pass the salt" in reference to reclaiming phrases that are usually negated by what follows.
Salt and vi...