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On Loneliness

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Post by ZenoArrow »

tech_browser wrote: post #115
ZenoArrow wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"There's every reason to pursue Self-realization or enlightenment as the only worthy goal of life. Such a goal never comes in one's way of being employed, raising a family etc." What if the only way to understand it was to not pursue it?

You are right. To beginners, self-realization is pointed as a goal worthy of pursuit. As one treads along this path, one realizes that nothing new is to be pursued or attained. If the Self were attainable as an object with the passage of time (and some exertion), it is not a worthy goal since everything within the realm of time will perish. The Self is ever-realized. One only needs to forego incorrect notions and pre…

Then why is it necessary to follow this or that belief system to get to something so obvious? Why is it necessary to read up on this school of thought or another when the only thing they can teach you is they have nothing to teach you?

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Post by paolomaffei »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #84
tech_browser wrote: post #43

Krishnamurti's teachings are based on scriptures such as Upanishads and Gita. He was averse to the notion of having a Guru (or teacher) because the teachers he had seen in his time were very steeped in orthodoxy, despite their learning. He was also against quoting verses from scriptures because he wanted to break away from the traditional teacher-student model. His teachings are appealing to many people who do not ha…

>"There are supplementary texts that also discuss the approaches to attain it." The more interesting question is, why are you trying to attain it? What is it that makes people seek enlightenment?

a Buddhist would say that just in the same way that a rock evolves into a human, a human evolves into a Buddha.

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Post by ZenoArrow »

paolomaffei wrote: post #122
ZenoArrow wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"There are supplementary texts that also discuss the approaches to attain it." The more interesting question is, why are you trying to attain it? What is it that makes people seek enlightenment?

a Buddhist would say that just in the same way that a rock evolves into a human, a human evolves into a Buddha.

In the sense that a rock remains a rock, and a human remains a human.

Does the direct answer gets someone to the truth just as easily as speaking in riddles?

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Post by quakeguy »

justinpombrio wrote: post #110
quakeguy wrote: post #98

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Whatever you read into it i guess. That's the power of it.

No. Read the damn words. It's not even that obtuse.

Touch sth. with your hands? Or touch it with your mind? Is all everything? Or just the things we can remember? Do your eyes see everything, or only the important parts? Do you remember every second of your life? Can you remember everything? Read my damn words twice.

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Post by armitron »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #121
tech_browser wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right. To beginners, self-realization is pointed as a goal worthy of pursuit. As one treads along this path, one realizes that nothing new is to be pursued or attained. If the Self were attainable as an object with the passage of time (and some exertion), it is not a worthy goal since everything within the realm of time will perish. The Self is ever-realized. One only needs to forego incorrect notions and pre…

Then why is it necessary to follow this or that belief system to get to something so obvious? Why is it necessary to read up on this school of thought or another when the only thing they can teach you is they have nothing to teach you?

Because there's a difference between intellectual understanding of the Self or non-dualism as a concept, and actually manifesting that "truth" by living it. Or as someone once wrote: Philosophical truths are transmitted through "praxis", not like pieces of eight. You've spent years conditioned to think a certain way, decades building that self-model you call "you". These associations will not be destroyed easily, just by someone saying so.

The Hindu/Vedantic systems emphasize self-enquiry and the importance of having a teacher guide you, which may look like pushing belief systems to outsiders, but it's really a process.

The western mystical tradition is more explicit in how important process/techniques are rather than dogma.

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Post by tn13 »

0xFFC wrote: post #19

I am very curious about what people on HN do think about 1.OSHO 2.Sadhguru

Sadhguru is your usual run of the mill Guru who talks a lot of bullshit disguised as feel good nonsense. His oratory is perhaps his only skill.

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Post by blueprint »

draw_down wrote: post #116
blueprint wrote: post #113

Of course I'm going to get flamed for this but this guy has written a bunch of nonsense. "Love and emptiness cannot abide together; when there is the feeling of loneliness, love is not. " 1. Emptiness is not the same thing as loneliness. 2. If you feel anything bad while you think you feel empty then that's not actual emptiness. 3. When you practice true love for others it makes you lonely because it makes everyone a…

Yikes.

Thanks for letting me borrow you as evidence. :)

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Post by DesiLurker »

0xFFC wrote: post #19

I am very curious about what people on HN do think about 1.OSHO 2.Sadhguru

1. I've gone through an OSHO 'phase' long ago. there is a certain quality in you when you are young that finds him appealing but you grow out of it. when I look back at it now its seems not worth my time as many ideas seem rather half baked (sorry, no offence, just my impression).

2. SJV I like, have been practicing isha processes for a bit, there is a certain directness to him that I like. However, Intellectually I feel his ideas/thought mechanics are tailored towards masses that I struggle to find alignment in (sorry again). Isha practices are good but IMO but there is something else to him that you experience only when you meditate with him.

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