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Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

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Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#121

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Fentanyl is actually being synthesized by the Mexican cartels now and added to the heroin before it even makes it to the street dealers. It's getting really crazy.

So Trump isn't so crazy on this whole wall issue .... I don't believe a wall is needed, but it should be used a hammer to get Mexico to clean up it's act for it's people. Canadians are not flooding into the US ... why are Mexicans then ... why isn't Mexico a place where it's citizens want to remain? Why are Mexicans as a whole not coming to the US high skilled like Indians are? Is their education system non-existent…

Immigrants are not flooding from Mexico to the US. The number of unauthorized immigrants from Mexico living in the US has been declining. These numbers are through 2014.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-abou...

If you are aware of other stats contrary to this, please share. I'm more than happy to be corrected.

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#122

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Fentanyl is actually being synthesized by the Mexican cartels now and added to the heroin before it even makes it to the street dealers. It's getting really crazy.

So Trump isn't so crazy on this whole wall issue .... I don't believe a wall is needed, but it should be used a hammer to get Mexico to clean up it's act for it's people. Canadians are not flooding into the US ... why are Mexicans then ... why isn't Mexico a place where it's citizens want to remain? Why are Mexicans as a whole not coming to the US high skilled like Indians are? Is their education system non-existent…

This comment should be removed. None of the seven+ questions posed are worth answering, and many of them are fragrantly offensive. Get on a soapbox somewhere else (or not at all)

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#123

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If Seattle doesn't want so many addicts maybe we should stop paying for them? Source: Resident of the city of Seattle

You're paying one way or another. If not this, you're going to see increased hospital and law enforcement costs.

I don't think that's true at all. Seattle has a disproportionately large homeless population when compared to other cities. We have the 3rd highest homeless population but are only the 18th largest city. And we're far from the only city experiencing a housing crisis.

So it's a lot more complicated than "you're gonna pay for it one way or another".

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#124

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As a resident of Capitol Hill, I want this right near me. And I want to see another one in Belltown. And another near the waterfront. And another on Aurora. And then another twenty throughout the city. There are junkies shooting up around me every day. They deserve safety and dignity, just like everyone else.

are you also suggesting we shouldn't set up prison for so called criminals? As they also deserve dignity?

Are you suggesting that non-violent drug offenders should continue clogging our prisons at the cost of billions of dollars every year from state and local governments? http://cepr.net/documents/publications/incarceration-2010-06...

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#125

The Midwest/East Coast really need this, since that is where all the powder, fentanyl-laced heroin goes. People are dropping like flies in those regions of the country, while I would imagine the West Coast, where black tar heroin is sold, hasn't seen as much of an increase in overdoses/deaths.

"People are dropping like flies in those regions of the country, while I would imagine the West Coast, where black tar heroin is sold, hasn't seen as much of an increase in overdoses/deaths."

'Harm reduction' programs don't really do that much.

Since the 'Insite' facility in Vancouver opened - there has been basically no change in the number of users or ODs. The area around the clinic is still a zombie land - it's the only place in all of Canada that I'm afraid to walk down the street in the middle of the day.

There has been a massive spike of ODs in Vancouver lately, but it's mostly due to fentanyl and other purity issues.

I agree that 'doing heroin' should be treated more as a social health issue, and less as a criminal justice issue, but I'm entirely doubtful of the efficacy of shoot up clinics. They cost a lot, and the money just might be more effectively spent on other kinds of 'soft interventions'.

I think the real value of the clinics boils down to the fact that while there, users can be convinced to join 'get clean' programs, and that the health workers can have 'trusted and direct' access to the community.

And some 'harm reduction' efforts can be very destructive: in the Innes Road prison in Ottawa - if you go in with a heroin addiction - they give you three doses of "Diacetylmorphine" or whatever (similar to heroin) every day - and basically they keep their prisoners hooked. The users will go crazy in the time leading up to their 'dose time', screaming, banging on the door etc. etc..

'Reducing short term harm' by giving people doses of a drug, several times a day, for months or years - is utterly worse than what those people might have to do were they to have to spend a few days in 'hard withdrawal' and then a few weeks in less severe withdrawal.

Keeping prisoners hooked on extremely powerful opioids I think is a terrible form of 'cruel and unusual punishment'.

'Withdrawal' is not the end of the world, and usually it's not dangerous. It's inevitable. It's the 'first and most obvious step' of recovery. And the only path to recovery. And something and addict must eventually do - so 'going to prison' if anything, should be an opportunity to get them off of heroin. At least in a controlled environment they can be monitored during initial withdrawal, and have zero access afterwards for some time while in prison. (And yes, it's entirely possible to limit contraband drugs in prisons).

FYI - I'm not suggesting prison for users, but at least those who go to jail for other things, it's a chance to get clean.

Sadly, it seems there's just as much ideology and politicization of the 'harm reduction' approach as there is 'it's a crime/moral issue' approach.

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#126

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Why do you feel this is off-topic?

Injecting rooms ≠ safe access to drugs? These are different approaches, not necessarily mutually exclusive but by changing the topic you devaluing the important discussion of injecting rooms. This article is about injecting rooms not ending prohibition I think it is off-topic? There are plenty of articles on decriminalisation and legalisation out there to have that discussion.

It will, ineffective, become so, though. Just like in Japan, near every pachinko parlor there is a window where you can trade your "prize" for cash, the underworld will set up shop right next door.

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#127

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As an adult, you have to make tradeoffs. Given that the supply of money is finite (unless you're Bernie Sanders who believes that money grows on trees), you have to decide whether to spend the money on this, or on, perhaps, kindergartens, schools, public transportation, and the like. TBH, I'd rather the junkies got a different kind of help: forced rehab. Got caught with heroin in your blood? Off to rehab you go. That…

I'm deeply curious about where you expect a city to find the money for "forced rehab" when you're belittling me about making "adult...tradeoffs." Also, where do you think the money for emergency response to drug overdoses comes from, exactly? Do you expect that having a trained professional on hand to administer Naloxone in event of an OD would be more or less expensive than a 911 response? Here's a great editorial f…

I didn't say it'd necessarily be less expensive (although it might end up being that once you factor in the costs of crime needed to obtain expensive drugs in the first place). I said it'd be better for the addicts, which to me seems pretty certain. I know if I had something that was slowly killing me and I couldn't afford treatment, I'd want help at some point. And by help, I mean forced rehab, preferably without a felony charge which will make it impossible for me to find decent work afterwards.

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#128

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Fentanyl is actually being synthesized by the Mexican cartels now and added to the heroin before it even makes it to the street dealers. It's getting really crazy.

So Trump isn't so crazy on this whole wall issue .... I don't believe a wall is needed, but it should be used a hammer to get Mexico to clean up it's act for it's people. Canadians are not flooding into the US ... why are Mexicans then ... why isn't Mexico a place where it's citizens want to remain? Why are Mexicans as a whole not coming to the US high skilled like Indians are? Is their education system non-existent…

> So Trump isn't so crazy on this whole wall issue ....

A wall can't stop fentanyl. A single gram of fentanyl is good enough for somewhere on the order of 10^5 doses. It is a trivial matter to smuggle a few grams of substance into a country, wall or no wall.

There are even stronger opioids making their appearance, such as carfentanil, which are 100 times stronger than even fentanyl. Only 19 grams of carfentanil a year are enough to satisfy current US medical demand for this substance.

Walls or Mexico cannot stop the war on drugs and the lopsided, perverse incentives it sets up, and the thousands of lives it ruins. That is entirely up to the American public and their representatives.

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#129
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Samuel Taylor Coleridge had an opium addiction too. We should legalize drugs and help people who get addicted, not just ban substances that some people use responsibly.

Yeah right. Because there is such thing like heroin responsible use.

Yes, there is. Is it the norm? Not at all, but that doesn't change the fact that some people do use heroin in moderation and without it drastically impacting their lives.

This polarized look at heroin use further stigmatizes drug users and leads to those with problems (and casual users who are having trouble not letting it get out of hand) not getting the help they deserve.

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

#130
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They should also sell heroin in pharmacies so people can inject an accurate dosage. This would greatly reduce overdoses and drug trafficking.

First put the drug cartels out of business by decriminalizing all recreational drugs including heroin. People will get drugs if they want them legal or illegal, tainted or not.

The next step is to provide safe injection and drug-exchange sites with immediately available drug counseling and detox. So an addict can trade 1g street-grade nasty drug for 1g medical-grade drug. Medical help needs to be available to swoop in right as they are coming down from the drug high. Hell, provide some free heroin to wean the drug addicts off of it on the condition that they participate in the detox programs.

This might sound like the unholy lovechild of libertarianism and nanny-state socialism, but I bet this ?pragmatic? approach will be cheaper in the long run, and centralize addiction/voluntary treatment in a location we [the people] can control. It would drastically cut down on ER visits from addicts, which is already a growing issue.

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