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Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

tormeh wrote: post #84
tigershark wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree completely. And the video although not new is quite impressive. But if the claim of the author that San Francisco is a tough city in which to drive is true, than I fear that some parts of Italy (and probably A LOT of cities in the world) won't have self driving cars for a very long time. When I saw the video the first time I was very impressed, but I would have never imagined that for someone that was a VERY…

There's also the issue of technical problems with for example traffic lights. I remember an occasion in Berlin where the traffic lights broke down on a major intersection with long queues. The right of way ended up being solved in a contest between the status quo competed with the impatience of those who were waiting. The only way as a pedestrian to get across was to step out into the street so cars would stop, which…

In California if the traffic light breaks down then you're supposed to stop as if there was a stop sign; all the same rules apply.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by rubicon33 »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #77
tigershark wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree completely. And the video although not new is quite impressive. But if the claim of the author that San Francisco is a tough city in which to drive is true, than I fear that some parts of Italy (and probably A LOT of cities in the world) won't have self driving cars for a very long time. When I saw the video the first time I was very impressed, but I would have never imagined that for someone that was a VERY…

This is moreso true for China and India. If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere. Meanwhile, Beijing and Dehli have extreme pollution problems partially caused by cars. If any place was in need of point to point autonomous ride sharing, it's Asia. The reduction in ca…

> "If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere."

I'm going to get down voted for this, but it has to be said.

The whole "well it couldn't drive in X country" scenario is ridiculous. Driving in unruly, chaotic, unregulated environments is NOT a problem for self driving cars to solve.

That type of driving environment certainly IS a problem, but one that has already been solved by good governance, including laws, rules, and regulations for improving safety of traffic. Countries like the United States, among others, have developed a set of rules and regulations that make self driving cars possible within their domain. It's foolhardy to assume self driving cars can, or should, work outside of that domain.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by hamilyon2 »

sgustard wrote: post #83
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is moreso true for China and India. If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere. Meanwhile, Beijing and Dehli have extreme pollution problems partially caused by cars. If any place was in need of point to point autonomous ride sharing, it's Asia. The reduction in ca…

I could imagine the robot car having an easier time in a place with minimal expectation to obey traffic rules. It simply becomes an entirely self-serving entity solving a constraint maximization problem. Namely, get from A to B, don't hit anything, don't get hit.

There is quite complex social interaction going on road. Rules and commands are communicated to participants and there are only seconds to understand them and obey

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by briandear »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #93
greglindahl wrote: post #61

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Tesla appears to be extremely clear to users as to the current state of the system. Have you actually used Tesla autopilot? What did you think of it?

It's called "autopilot". Too many people, myself included, that's all that matters. They need to stop calling it "autopilot" until you can get in and fall asleep in the back seat.

Airplane autopilot isn't designed to be used in the way you described. Should aviation rename that as well?

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by mavhc »

Example edge case: Waymo cars know that police cars often stop behind other cars and to expect people to be walking nearby.

Thought: Once we have 99% self driving cars it will be quite easy to convert a portion of roads to pedestrian only at times when traffic is light: bollards go up, lighting changes, cars informed to reroute.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by briandear »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #42

Dumb question: how do these systems distinguish a traffic light? Here in New England at least, there's quite a variety of lights, many different modes (red, yellow, green, flashing red, flashing yellow, no-turn-left red arrow, no-turn-right red arrow, and different light technologies: old-fashioned style, Fresnel lens, slotted shade. Add to this complexity the weather conditions. Suppose the sun is shining straight a…

The funny thing is those irate drivers would be honking at a piece of metal.. no driver with whom you could be angry.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by taneq »

rubicon33 wrote: post #122
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is moreso true for China and India. If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere. Meanwhile, Beijing and Dehli have extreme pollution problems partially caused by cars. If any place was in need of point to point autonomous ride sharing, it's Asia. The reduction in ca…

> "If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere." I'm going to get down voted for this, but it has to be said. The whole "well it couldn't drive in X country" scenario is ridiculous. Driving in unruly, chaotic, unregulated environments is NOT a problem for self driving ca…

I partly agree with you but I feel population density is also a major contributing factor here.

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Post by hueving »

rubicon33 wrote: post #122
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is moreso true for China and India. If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere. Meanwhile, Beijing and Dehli have extreme pollution problems partially caused by cars. If any place was in need of point to point autonomous ride sharing, it's Asia. The reduction in ca…

> "If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere." I'm going to get down voted for this, but it has to be said. The whole "well it couldn't drive in X country" scenario is ridiculous. Driving in unruly, chaotic, unregulated environments is NOT a problem for self driving ca…

If you're solution to the problem is to not solve it under the constraints offered, then you're not really solving it. Someone could easily use your argument to say we shouldn't have self driving cars in the US either when we can just use automated trains.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by ema »

briandear wrote: post #124
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called "autopilot". Too many people, myself included, that's all that matters. They need to stop calling it "autopilot" until you can get in and fall asleep in the back seat.

Airplane autopilot isn't designed to be used in the way you described. Should aviation rename that as well?

Pilots know that, but I bet a sizable portion of the passengers don't.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by anotheryou »

briandear wrote: post #124
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called "autopilot". Too many people, myself included, that's all that matters. They need to stop calling it "autopilot" until you can get in and fall asleep in the back seat.

Airplane autopilot isn't designed to be used in the way you described. Should aviation rename that as well?

Can't you go theoretically go to the toilet on autopilot? It won't land for you, but while turned on it will keep the plane aloft until fuel runs out, no?
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