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Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

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Re: Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

#121

The problem is honesty isn't rewarded anymore. Someone working hard will be beaten by someone who tells all the fancy stuff...I know a lot of startups that raised millions, but their tech and growth is totally non-existent. I did some research and a lot of companies have little to no social media presence, yet are "growing" crazy. How do people find them? Add network effect and you get overly hyped stuff that don't d…

I see the same phenomenon and think it's the opposite. Raising millions is not a reward. I understand why you think that way since I used to think that way too. But I learned the hard way that raising money is nothing more than the price you have to pay to get to somewhere you want. So what IS reward? Obviously, if your business does well and "growing" crazy, that's your reward. That way you didn't even have to give…

Agree with you! Thanks for elaborating!

Re: Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

#122

The problem is honesty isn't rewarded anymore. Someone working hard will be beaten by someone who tells all the fancy stuff...I know a lot of startups that raised millions, but their tech and growth is totally non-existent. I did some research and a lot of companies have little to no social media presence, yet are "growing" crazy. How do people find them? Add network effect and you get overly hyped stuff that don't d…

I see the same phenomenon and think it's the opposite. Raising millions is not a reward. I understand why you think that way since I used to think that way too. But I learned the hard way that raising money is nothing more than the price you have to pay to get to somewhere you want. So what IS reward? Obviously, if your business does well and "growing" crazy, that's your reward. That way you didn't even have to give…

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Re: Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

#123
post #92

I think what's missing from this discussion is the demo is apparently really, really good. Google didn't put ~$500m, and Alibaba something like $800m, just on a whim, or some investment thesis. And everyone I've spoken to who's gotten the demo is a believer. I think this article suffers from an overly binary view of technology -- if it isn't market ready, it's vaporware. No, there's probably some real tech there (afo…

Facebook bought Oculus for 2 billion, and what were they buying there? Oculus had a prototype cobbled together using off the shelf parts by a teenager in his garage, a successful kickstarter campaign, and John Carmack jumped on board. And that made Oculus worth two thousand million dollars to Zuckerberg. The acquisition sent a strong signal, though. Shortly afterwards a bevy of competitors, big and small, started thr…

Huh, at first I thought ML means Machine Learning.

Re: Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

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post #99

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Have you ever worked hard on something for many years and faced the prospect of it still failing? It's painful to think about your baby dying. Startup founders generally don't do it for the (usually below market) salary.

> Have you ever worked hard on something for many years and faced the prospect of it still failing? Not with someone else paying for it, and knowing I'll still be well-regarded even if it fails.

That definitely reduces the risk vs. funding it yourself, sure, but founders are still investing a large chunk of their life into it, and that's not something people usually breezily write off. Having other people funding it can actually increase the amount of guilt and stress you feel about failing - you let down the people that believed in you. For most people, that hurts.

It's easy to sit on the sidelines and make snide remarks about founders who you think are wasting others' money paying themselves cushy salaries (most pay themselves far below what they'd make at Google), but I don't think you're really in any position to until you've put yourself out there in some similar fashion.

Re: Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

#125

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Good meta-discussion. I assumed the article's title was a reference to the SNL skit, but there weren't any more references or allusions to it in the article, so I though other people who didn't recognize the skit might appreciate a reference. I hope my other post linking to their TEDx talk balanced out my frivolity! ;)

You don't have to apologize for your post (... to me, anyway, who laughed out loud). There is value in humor that is separate from information yield.

Reference humor has no value. But sure, it feels good if you get the reference.

Re: Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

#126
post #98

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Fortunately Microsoft is not only working on the same thing but already has a shipping product, so even if Magic Leap goes under I don't think it's going to take AR with it.

The Hololens was pretty crappy, though. The Oculus is a much more refined experience, and even there it's not clear that it's good enough to step out of novelty into mass market. I'd say Oculus is close, and Hololens has a very long way to go.

Did u even use Hololens? Hololens is the best AR with best Tracking and mapping.

Comparing AR device with VR device itself is not correct. Every one in VR world knows HTC Vive has far superior experience than Rift.

Re: Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

#127
post #34

Benedict Evans doesn't seem like the kind of guy to fall for BS though, let alone defend it. And surely at least one of their investors had the technical due diligence capability to investigate how much computing power is in the demo "rigs" and be able to know if such power can be "miniaturized" into a consumer product by year X, perhaps allowing for a little software optimization on the way too.

It is so sad to see Evan B saying Marketing phrases trying to protect his investments.

Re: Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

#129
post #27

The author of this article needs to try Hololens. The technology is definitely here.

HoloLens is being pushed with much of the same rigged demos. As a review from a few days ago mentioned- "Maybe Microsoft is saving all the wow factor for its keynotes, but my demo was a less refined and less capable version of what we've seen in on-stage demos. My experience, while impressive, felt like child's play AR compared to what's been in Microsoft's keynotes." Microsoft unveiled it well over a year ago, and s…

It is used by NASA and they are stupid as per your post.

Where did you see the "rigged demos"? It works as shown in the demos if you even understand what it can do and do not. Your 20 minutes on hand demo never shows/teaches you any thing.

Re: Magic Leap is neither magic nor leaping

#130
post #69

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The best thing we have so far is this revealing illustration tweeted by Rony Abovitz himself: https://twitter.com/rabovitz/status/807077358624772098?ref_s...

I believe this picture from wired is supposed to be of "the beast" that they use for demos: https://assets.wired.com/photos/w_1200/wp-content/uploads/20... There are drawings of something more helmet like in their patents, like this one: http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=D0758367&homeurl=http%3A%...

Aren't most of the illustrations in their patents just unattributed tracings of other people's work?

http://gizmodo.com/magic-leap-ripped-off-those-awesome-ui-co...

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