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Nylas Mail is now free

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Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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post #8

I really wanted an Email client for Linux which isn't power hungry but unfortunately last I tried Nylas - it was always top app in `powertop`. An always running app has to be low on power consumption IMO, but because so many apps are being built on top of webkit/electron most of them pretty much suck when it comes to battery usage. Another case in point is slack app. On Linux, it is probably the worst app. :(

I think the answer is Mutt. For me, the editor is what stops me from switching. Does it still require you to shell out to an external editor to send a mail? There was an amazing mail client for (of all things) FidoNet back in the 90s called GoldEd that was amazing. It had threaded message display, a great editor, pleasant colors, etc. It was tailored to that network, however. Would love to find something like this fo…

There's also http://supmua.org/ though I haven't used it in forever.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

#122
post #78

I used Nylas for a while and really liked it, until they they forced everyone to pay $7 per month to use it. Here's the original discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11553738

> I used Nylas for a while and really liked it, until they they forced everyone to pay $7 per month to use it. Sorry, but that isn't a fair way of describing what occurred. Nylas is a startup, trying to figure out a business model which works for them. You're not yet forced to pay. If you had a Nylas ID back when Pro was announced you got a gratis year of subscription. Now, they released a gratis version once more, c…

> If you had a Nylas ID back when Pro was announced you got a gratis year of subscription.

Well, uh.. that didn't quite go that way for me.

The Pro 'transition' was a miserable experience that made me stop using it altogether* - it literally popped up asking me if I wanted to subscribe to Pro, and if I said 'no' (thinking I'll just continue non-Pro) the whole app quit.

* Coincidentally I tried it out again (seemed to get a 14day trial even though I'd used it before) a few days ago. There's still lots I like; the Basic tier is exactly what I needed really - last year when it suddenly held my emails hostage (slight hyperbole of course, there were still copies on the server).

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

#123
post #95

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Javascript gets used everywhere because it successfully commoditized programming. It requires very little knowledge to get it to work, so anybody can pick it up without much effort. For businesses, this means an endless supply of cheap labor. Most people here on HN and elsewhere believe this is a good thing. It furthers their dreams of programming becoming a basic literacy, like english and math. Keep in mind I don't…

> Javascript gets used everywhere because it successfully commoditized programming PHP would like a word.

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Re: Nylas Mail is now free

#124
post #95

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I still do not understand the fascination with JavaScript. SPAs, desktop apps like Electron, server-side stuff with Node, I just don't get it. JavaScript is the worst tool for the vast majority of these things. It brings us enough pain as the only practical client-side language on the web. Who deals with that and says "I need to write my server (or worse, desktop app) in this, and you know what, I'm going to now bast…

Javascript gets used everywhere because it successfully commoditized programming. It requires very little knowledge to get it to work, so anybody can pick it up without much effort. For businesses, this means an endless supply of cheap labor. Most people here on HN and elsewhere believe this is a good thing. It furthers their dreams of programming becoming a basic literacy, like english and math. Keep in mind I don't…

Reading "ElectronJS" is when i decided not to try this app. I don't need websites masquerading as desktop apps thank you.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

#125

I used Nylas back when it was free, and it is a good email client, but it just wasn't worth $7 a month to me, and certainly not $12, especially when I consider that Office 365 Business Premium is only $12.50 a month, and includes Outlook, Word, Excel, etc. I would never use Office 365 personally, but when I consider the value offered by Office 365 Premium vs. Nylas, for about the same price, it makes Nylas Email look…

> It seems to me that Nylas could make a lot more money by charging $1 a month, since there are likely many, many more people willing to pay $1 vs. $12. Probably more than the 12 to 1 ratio required to break even.

Do you have any data on this? Would love to see it to help inform the research we already did when pricing the Pro edition of Nylas Mail.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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post #59
post #53

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Nylas has somewhat of a weird model. The Nylas client doesn't connect to you mail provider directly, instead the Nylas client connects to the Nylas Sync Engine. It used to be that using this API for this was a couple hundred a year, per account. Both the client and the sync engine are open source, so you've always been able to host your own. https://github.com/nylas/sync-engine

Did you read the article posted today? This is literally what we changed and is no longer true. :)

Hey Michael. Honestly, I usually will skip the FAQs, which is the only place I could find reference to this decoupling.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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post #108
post #78

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> I used Nylas for a while and really liked it, until they they forced everyone to pay $7 per month to use it. Sorry, but that isn't a fair way of describing what occurred. Nylas is a startup, trying to figure out a business model which works for them. You're not yet forced to pay. If you had a Nylas ID back when Pro was announced you got a gratis year of subscription. Now, they released a gratis version once more, c…

Hey – I'm an engineer at Nylas. To add to what you said, the newly released Basic edition does all email syncing client-side, and uses our servers for minimal things (i.e: auth).

How about not using your servers for anything?

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

#128
post #117

After signing up for Nylas Mail, I started getting daily "marketing email" (spam) from them. It really added insult to the injury already caused by the Linux app being horribly slow, buggy, and power-hungry.

You can turn it off in preferences. (Although I guess if you got rid of the app, you'd have to install it again to do that! No unsubscribe link?)

I sent them a scathing email about Nylas violating EU privacy laws years ago, and they only responded to them after I spoke up against the product here on HN. They still haven't told me what data they collected about me, which they are required to by law.

It's nice to see that Nylas has learned nothing at all and keeps violating their users' rights.

Maybe I should finally sue them.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

#129
post #100
post #54

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That's an integral part of how it works. Their sync servers download your email, then sync with your local client. You need that ID to log into their server and access your individual email accounts.

Hey – I'm an engineer at Nylas. This used to be true but Nylas Mail now uses a totally client-side sync engine. If you're on the Basic edition, your emails never touch our servers. This was a huge undertaking (it's not easy to port a sync-engine written in Python and designed to run on servers to run efficiently on desktop machines) and is the major reason why we can now offer a freemium service. We're going to put o…

> We're going to put out a blog post soon with more engineering details soon!

Looking forward to it!

I think for this audience, this blog post raises more questions than it answers.

I'm a student, I can't justify $12pm (or $7pm) for an email client however good it is - but I'll gladly use the Basic version and continue contributing; pay a little back that way :)

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

#130

I open the page and have no idea what Nylas is. I click on the logo and I'm taken to the blog home page, where 60% of the screen is the Nylas logo with no subheader telling me what it is. I click on it again and it just refreshes the blog index. No link to nylas.com. How do so many people make the same mistake?

I had the exact same experience. I see this sort of issue commonly. Surprising companies don't just link you back to their homepage when they promote their product with a blog. Seems like an obvious thing to do.

It's incredibly common to not have a link to their homepage—I have no idea why.
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