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Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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how about use 3-step auth? 1. you input your username google send back an msg/pic which you saved in google at last login confirm then goes to step 2 2. you input password 3. google ask you input auth code

So then they use a botnet to input your username on google.com to get your image, then stream it to you.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#122

Why would you need to sign in if you're already in your gmail? Not to say there's anything obviously wrong, one could easily go there. It does point out a major problem. Email used to be text only. Then we added attachments that needed to be saved as a file and read with whatever app. Then we went to automatically displaying attached images and having live HTML links. All of these things we do for convenience make th…

I know that when using some services from Google, like Google Takeout, it asks you to authenticate regardless of whether you are already logged-in or not.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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As a side note, it looks like this couldn't have happened with an external mail reader like Thunderbird. Even when targeted to that and mocking some other UI element, clicking the link would open a browser window and reveal the fraud, at least to power users.

I'm not advocating against web-based mail readers, simply because it's not always possible or practical to use external ones. But it seems security is harder to implement because everything is "made of the same parts", i.e. a web-based mail displayed in a web-based application, opening links in the same (browser) window.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#124

The aim of EV certificates is to reduce such risks and highlight to the user the legitimacy of such websites. HTTPS alone only provides encryption. Google doesn't use EV anywhere but I feel it should on login pages especially given it is a high phishing target.

EV certificates don't work. You're relying on the user to spot a change in the address bar, which is no different than relying on the user to notice that the domain is not "gmail.com". HTTPS is meant for preventing MITM attacks, but it isn't meant to validate the identity of the entity you're speaking to; even though some people try doing that, it's just a game of pretend.

It is a much more visible change rather than a URL that could be spoofed or malformed.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#125
Always smiled at phishing scams but this scares the hell out of me, so I just headed to Google to setup 2-factor authentication.

How is your experience?

I understood that I can register specific machines not to use 2-factor, so if I loose my phone I still can login in. Anything else to consider?

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#126

I reported this a back in March 2016, and Google said it was not an issue. Analysed whole attack here: https://gist.github.com/timruffles/5c76d2b61c88188e77f6 This was the response I got: > The address bar remains one of the few trusted UI components of the browsers and is the only one that can be relied upon as to what origin are the users currently visiting. If the users pay no attention to the address bar, phishin…

Ah the classic "ugh. we don't want to have to fix this, so here are some bullshit technical reasons why it's impossible and a bad idea".

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Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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Well, Google TFA doesn't ask you to type your number (and others only some digits) so it probably would rise a red flag big enough to "awake you" from auto-pilot, I hope.

I assume you're using the type of 2FA where this is not the case. We are discussing the type of 2FA where Google does ask you to enter your number. I.e, TOTP. When I log into Google, it asks me to type my 2FA number in.

Ah, I didn't know Google offered TOTP. I only had the option of mobile phone SMS 2FA.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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Oh my god that's awful, what's the point of making it so counterintuitive?? I'll never understand the motivation of companies that roll their own 2FA instead of just using TOTP or Authy.

It was probably the worst way they could have implemented 2FA; we're still vulnerable to a MITM attack. One of the more annoying things is that the codes are sent from a random 386 number. Out of the 7+ texts I've received thus far, only 2 were from the same number. Apparently the company they're using is named https://duo.com/

Huh, I've heard good things about Duo. They're not a nobody at any rate.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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I reported this a back in March 2016, and Google said it was not an issue. Analysed whole attack here: https://gist.github.com/timruffles/5c76d2b61c88188e77f6 This was the response I got: > The address bar remains one of the few trusted UI components of the browsers and is the only one that can be relied upon as to what origin are the users currently visiting. If the users pay no attention to the address bar, phishin…

Why is data:text/html even valid or rendered to the page in the first place? I'm having trouble coming up with a valid usecase for this

It's just not treated as an exception. Works for all MIME types supported by the browser.
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