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Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

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Post by dom0 »

mysterypie wrote: post #55
kibwen wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what the marketing department may believe, but in reality that's super creepy. Let's not pretend that I'm on a friendly first-name basis with corporations, or that in reality I'm anything more than an autogenerated numeric ID in a database as far as the corporation is concerned. Furthermore, nobody but my mother calls me by my real first name, and this holds for half of my cohort. And why does any company thin…

> nobody but my mother calls me by my real first name, and this holds for half of my cohort Really? I've been assuming that addressing people by first name--even people you've just met--is now the default, at least for the United States and Canada. Are you in the USA/Canada, by the way? I know that it used to be rude to address someone by their first name unless you knew them well. You had to say, Mr. last-name or Mr…

> Really? I've been assuming that addressing people by first name--even people you've just met--is now the default, at least for the United States and Canada.

Nope.

> I know that it used to be rude to address someone by their first name unless you knew them well.

Correct.

> But I thought that the etiquette has changed completely: First name is fine and last name sounds rather formal. Do others have a different experience?

Outside of school/university it's simply presumptuous. Don't do it.

Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

#122

Post by dom0 »

simias wrote: post #102
unscaled wrote: post #5

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This unfortunately follows the conventions of the genre called "Falsehood programmers believe about X": http://spaceninja.com/2015/12/08/falsehoods-programmers-beli... I honestly think this genre is horrible and counterproductive, even though the writer's intentions are good. It gives no examples, no explanations, no guidelines for proper implementations - just a list of condescending gotchas, showing off the superio…

I agree, I think this format works when the subject matter is trivial enough that it's easy to construct counter examples yourself once the contradiction is pointed out. The "Name" version is a good example of that, I can easily see how most of the examples on this list can be falsehoods. On the other hand in TFA some of the affirmations leave me more perplexed. For instance, regarding color conversion: "converting f…

> I wonder what's meant here. Is it just a matter of rounding or is there more to it than that?

Many colour spaces are non-overlapping, ie. one colour space has colours a different colour space simply doesn't have, so converting between them is often lossy and thus non-invertible.

Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

#123

Post by dragonwriter »

dom0 wrote: post #122
simias wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, I think this format works when the subject matter is trivial enough that it's easy to construct counter examples yourself once the contradiction is pointed out. The "Name" version is a good example of that, I can easily see how most of the examples on this list can be falsehoods. On the other hand in TFA some of the affirmations leave me more perplexed. For instance, regarding color conversion: "converting f…

> I wonder what's meant here. Is it just a matter of rounding or is there more to it than that? Many colour spaces are non-overlapping, ie. one colour space has colours a different colour space simply doesn't have, so converting between them is often lossy and thus non-invertible.

> Many colour spaces are non-overlapping, ie. one colour space has colours a different colour space simply doesn't have

Wouldn't that be overlapping but non-coextensive? Non-overlapping would be no colors in common between color spaces, which would be odd.

Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

#124

Post by dom0 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #123
dom0 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder what's meant here. Is it just a matter of rounding or is there more to it than that? Many colour spaces are non-overlapping, ie. one colour space has colours a different colour space simply doesn't have, so converting between them is often lossy and thus non-invertible.

> Many colour spaces are non-overlapping, ie. one colour space has colours a different colour space simply doesn't have Wouldn't that be overlapping but non-coextensive? Non-overlapping would be no colors in common between color spaces, which would be odd.

Yes. I didn't realize that difference between my intermediate language and the output language of these comments :)

Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

#125

Post by Frondo »

dom0 wrote: post #121
mysterypie wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nobody but my mother calls me by my real first name, and this holds for half of my cohort Really? I've been assuming that addressing people by first name--even people you've just met--is now the default, at least for the United States and Canada. Are you in the USA/Canada, by the way? I know that it used to be rude to address someone by their first name unless you knew them well. You had to say, Mr. last-name or Mr…

> Really? I've been assuming that addressing people by first name--even people you've just met--is now the default, at least for the United States and Canada. Nope. > I know that it used to be rude to address someone by their first name unless you knew them well. Correct. > But I thought that the etiquette has changed completely: First name is fine and last name sounds rather formal. Do others have a different experi…

Perhaps it's regional. These countries are both huge, with a wide variety of social norms represented. Out here on the left coast, first names seem to be the norm, as the GP poster surmises.

I can't actually remember ever being in a business meeting/academic setting, where Mr. or Ms. was used, at any point. In movies, sure, but it really does seem quaint.

Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

#126

Post by dragonwriter »

mysterypie wrote: post #55
kibwen wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what the marketing department may believe, but in reality that's super creepy. Let's not pretend that I'm on a friendly first-name basis with corporations, or that in reality I'm anything more than an autogenerated numeric ID in a database as far as the corporation is concerned. Furthermore, nobody but my mother calls me by my real first name, and this holds for half of my cohort. And why does any company thin…

> nobody but my mother calls me by my real first name, and this holds for half of my cohort Really? I've been assuming that addressing people by first name--even people you've just met--is now the default, at least for the United States and Canada. Are you in the USA/Canada, by the way? I know that it used to be rude to address someone by their first name unless you knew them well. You had to say, Mr. last-name or Mr…

> Really? I've been assuming that addressing people by first name--even people you've just met--is now the default, at least for the United States and Canada.

This is incorrect. Calling people by something less formal than Mr./Miss/Mrs. family-name> is certainly the current norm, but the alternative used is a personal choice of the person being addressed and often different from (sometimes, though far from always, a shortened form of) the legal personal name.

> I know that it used to be rude to address someone by their first name unless you knew them well. You had to say, Mr. last-name or Mrs/Ms./Miss last-name.

It remains rude to address someone by less formal terms until and unless you have sufficient contact with them to know the less formal appellation that they prefer you to use. It is more expected now than in the past that people will very quickly accept the use of less formal address and inform you of their preferred form.

It is also more common for businesses wishing to feign familiarity to presume that first name information from a customer registry, credit card, or other source is equivalent to stating a preferred form of address and consenting to have the businesses agents use that form; it is not, and quite a lot of people react badly to it. You would be well advised not to imitate those businesses.

Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

#127

Post by dragonwriter »

Frondo wrote: post #125
dom0 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Really? I've been assuming that addressing people by first name--even people you've just met--is now the default, at least for the United States and Canada. Nope. > I know that it used to be rude to address someone by their first name unless you knew them well. Correct. > But I thought that the etiquette has changed completely: First name is fine and last name sounds rather formal. Do others have a different experi…

Perhaps it's regional. These countries are both huge, with a wide variety of social norms represented. Out here on the left coast, first names seem to be the norm, as the GP poster surmises. I can't actually remember ever being in a business meeting/academic setting, where Mr. or Ms. was used, at any point. In movies, sure, but it really does seem quaint.

> Out here on the left coast, first names seem to be the norm, as the GP poster surmises.

No, it's not. Preferred personal informal names are the norm for anyone you've been introduced to (and are normally part of that introduction); those may be legal personal ("first" in the usual English order) names, but often are legal middle names, derivative forms of either first or middle names, or names distinct from any legal name.

Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

#128

Post by artpepper »

nradov wrote: post #66
artpepper wrote: post #52

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What I take from the names article is to make sure you understand your requirements. A blogging platform will have different requirements than, say, electronic medical records.

For EMRs, the HL7 FHIR HumanName datatype covers most of what's needed. Patients can have 0 or more names, each of which can have a full string representation plus 0 or more separate family / given / prefix / suffix components. And each name can be tagged with a usage type (official / maiden / nickname / etc) and validity date range. http://www.hl7.org/FHIR/datatypes.html#HumanName

Interesting! Especially the inclusion of a time period field. That's important in time zone information, too.

Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

#129

Post by Frondo »

dragonwriter wrote: post #127
Frondo wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it's regional. These countries are both huge, with a wide variety of social norms represented. Out here on the left coast, first names seem to be the norm, as the GP poster surmises. I can't actually remember ever being in a business meeting/academic setting, where Mr. or Ms. was used, at any point. In movies, sure, but it really does seem quaint.

> Out here on the left coast, first names seem to be the norm, as the GP poster surmises. No, it's not. Preferred personal informal names are the norm for anyone you've been introduced to (and are normally part of that introduction); those may be legal personal ("first" in the usual English order) names, but often are legal middle names, derivative forms of either first or middle names, or names distinct from any leg…

I'm really quite reluctant to deny my life experiences up til now on your word, telling me they've been wrong experiences. I'd guess we've just seen different things out in the world.

Re: Falsehoods programmers believe about video

#130

Post by dragonwriter »

Frondo wrote: post #129
dragonwriter wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Out here on the left coast, first names seem to be the norm, as the GP poster surmises. No, it's not. Preferred personal informal names are the norm for anyone you've been introduced to (and are normally part of that introduction); those may be legal personal ("first" in the usual English order) names, but often are legal middle names, derivative forms of either first or middle names, or names distinct from any leg…

I'm really quite reluctant to deny my life experiences up til now on your word, telling me they've been wrong experiences. I'd guess we've just seen different things out in the world.

I don't think we are, since the region you claim the behavior generalizes too is the one I am also most familiar with. I think you are simply making the mistake of confusing "a person's preferred appellation, which is sometimes their legal first name but very often something either subtly [as in shortened form] or radically different from.the first name" with simply "first name".
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