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Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

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Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

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People had voted for Trump not because of lack of empathy, but because they were fed up with being patronized, negged, treated like children, observed, modeled and disempowered, belittled and generally discounted. And this article is not helping it.

The people I know who voted for him want to pay less taxes and have less government.

Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

#122
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why were they patronized and treated like children again? Oh, perhaps it was because they claimed Obama wasn't born in the US. Or because they denied global warming. Or because they hate Mexicans and Muslims. In short, because they bought in to the steaming pile of bullshit that is the right wing media echo chamber. When they think like children, talk like children, and act like children, they shouldn't be surpri…

What you fail to comprehend is that your contemptuous attitude is the very thing that isn't working anymore. In fact, the more you crank up the rhetoric, the more you will be ignored. If this election has taught us anything, it is that if we continually scream at and belittle adults, they will eventually ignore us. Every epithet, every word of shame-speak will then fall on deaf ears. We will find ourselves in the ver…

> If this election has taught us anything, it is that if we continually scream at and belittle adults, they will eventually ignore us.

Trump belittled everybody for years.

Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

#123
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you fail to comprehend is that your contemptuous attitude is the very thing that isn't working anymore. In fact, the more you crank up the rhetoric, the more you will be ignored. If this election has taught us anything, it is that if we continually scream at and belittle adults, they will eventually ignore us. Every epithet, every word of shame-speak will then fall on deaf ears. We will find ourselves in the ver…

"What you fail to comprehend is that your contemptuous attitude is the very thing that isn't working anymore." You must be kidding me. What do you think Trump himself was doing? He is the epitome of an obnoxious screaming asshole, and he won! His approach clearly works. It's a pity that the Democrats didn't have an anti-Trump on their side. Maybe he could have been the kryptonite that cost Trump the election. As it w…

You are making an essential error: that of false association. You are equating the behavior of a candidate, and of the candidate's most vocal supporters, with the general demeanor of the people who voted for him. If it were only the vocal or even ardent Trump supporters who voted, he would have lost. He didn't lose because the majority who voted for him were silent, in most cases brow-beaten into silence.

You are also neglecting the fact that Trump won with only 1% more of the white vote than Romney. This was not nearly enough to win. Trump won because of the minority vote. Compared to Romney he won 8% more Latino votes, 7% more black votes, 11% more Asian votes, and 1% other minorities. This statistic does much to counteract the hysterical white resurgence rhetoric. (Source: NYT Exit Polls).

Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

#124

“Productivity is at record levels, innovation has never been faster, and yet at the same time, we have a falling median income and we have fewer jobs. People are falling behind because technology is advancing so fast and our skills and organizations aren’t keeping up.” It is, he said, “the great paradox of our era.” While I believe this is true, and understand why it is a problem, I do not think there is anything tha…

I think there are probably a few things that can be done. For instance, the quality of internet in the rural area where my parents are is pretty bad.

i have the same issue with where my parents live also.

Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

#125
post #120

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Ok, tell me what good it is going to do to consider those things. Are you suggesting that if we all collectively decide that building such things hurts people, no one will build them? And that such an idea is remotely realistic?

Another option would be to commit to setting aside some of the profits for a fund of some kind to address the externalities in whichever way seems most effective at reducing the negative effects. I'm not saying I expect a company to do this, but why can it not be considered an option?

Because in a competitive marketplace the company that doesn't do that has an edge over one that does.

I don't think it's Silicon Valley that lacks empathy, I think it's the system that rewards profits and growth over anything else...

Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

#126
post #4

People had voted for Trump not because of lack of empathy, but because they were fed up with being patronized, negged, treated like children, observed, modeled and disempowered, belittled and generally discounted. And this article is not helping it.

The people I know who voted for him want to pay less taxes and have less government.

Except the government, who isn't?

Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

#127
Wow, I read this, and thought "hey, maybe there is an opportunity here... another problem to solve, to make society better".

I'm a bit surprised by the amount of denial and "not my problem" comments (or perhaps "what problem?" comments).

Yes, it's a very difficult problem -- maybe more on par with a Mars mission than the next chat app. Was hoping to see more interest and ideas. I don't think it's a sign of weakness to show empathy, or to advocate for the greater good vs. greater efficiency. Or try for both.

Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

#128

It's not a private company's job to have empathy for the people affected by progress. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of empathy. But petitioning private companies to change their ways will get you exactly nowhere unless it comes with a corresponding profit motive. It's the government's job to redistribute wealth and income to the needy, and provide safety nets and retraining opportunities for people whose industri…

Right on. Silicon Valley may have an empathy vacuum/problem, but let's place the blame for this problem where it really lies: government policy makers. They are the ones that have watched globalization gut the middle class, while sitting back and collecting their fat stock grants and salaries for sitting on the board of the companies that are the beneficiaries of these policies. We need universal basic income to soft…

Then we should work to change government. Can we band together to do that? OTOH, many want smaller government. I was raised with "let the market decide". Private enterprise is always more efficient than government.

Are we conceding that only government can solve certain problems?

Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

#129
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why were they patronized and treated like children again? Oh, perhaps it was because they claimed Obama wasn't born in the US. Or because they denied global warming. Or because they hate Mexicans and Muslims. In short, because they bought in to the steaming pile of bullshit that is the right wing media echo chamber. When they think like children, talk like children, and act like children, they shouldn't be surpri…

What you fail to comprehend is that your contemptuous attitude is the very thing that isn't working anymore. In fact, the more you crank up the rhetoric, the more you will be ignored. If this election has taught us anything, it is that if we continually scream at and belittle adults, they will eventually ignore us. Every epithet, every word of shame-speak will then fall on deaf ears. We will find ourselves in the ver…

"Think more deeply."

Ha. Did you manage to say that with a straight face? What's next? Ask a cat to bark?

To be clear. Not insulting you. I hear ya. I agree. But the request is pointless.

Re: Silicon Valley Has an Empathy Vacuum

#130
post #64

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^ Example A. An alternative way to approach this, which the author of the article could also consider, is how might we, as technologists, build companies that help solve this problem? For example, our country will have 3.5 M truckers (the most common profession in the US and in 46 of the 50 US States) out of jobs within 10 years due to automated trucking. Option A: We cheer at the success of the automated trucking in…

Educate them to do... what, exactly? What could Uber do with two million mostly-uneducated truck drivers that are scattered all through out the country? Most do not want to move, do not have the patience/desire/grit to go through long retraining periods for a vastly different job, and are currently making something in the neighborhood of $55K/yr. How could any company possibly be expected to help that large a workfor…

This is exactly the type of solution that the much-hyped "innovation" of Silicon Valley should help address.
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