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2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by wlesieutre »

dom0 wrote: post #16
Bytes wrote: post #6

The problems with the new macbook "pro" seem to keep on growing. I am really surprised that Apple did not find the connecting to external display issue in internal testing.

I'm somewhat surprised by the whole touch bar thing, other manufacturers (e.g. Lenovo on the X1) tried it before and use acceptance was miserable.

Other manufacturers launched it on a single product that accounts for what, 0.1% of the Windows laptop market? Wide usage with customized support from practically every Mac app is what will make it useful, and Lenovo wasn't in a position to make that happen with theirs.

Lenovo did name it "Adaptive Keyboard" and obviously wanted it to change depending on context, but without 3rd party software support it's not going to offer much. You get layouts for F-keys, home, web browsing, and Skype:

http://www.thinkwiki.org/w/images/4/47/LAdapKey-001.png

And as far as I can tell, it's just "buttons that move around," without any more flexible UIs like the sliders/scrubbers that Apple is pitching. You're making the "no tactile feedback" compromise that everyone hates, and not actually getting much for it.

Use acceptance was miserable because it wasn't actually useful.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by slantyyz »

mescalito wrote: post #74
Stratoscope wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With my late 2013 MBPR and ViewSonic VX2475SMHL-4K, all I had to do was use a mini-DP to DP cable and everything just works, both in OSX and Windows 10. I hardly ever boot into OSX any more - most of my work is in Windows and I generally like Windows better anyway - especially with the crisper font rendering after using the ClearType tuner compared to the fuzzier OSX text. (Yes, OSX - I haven't even bothered to upgra…

You normally use Windows on your 2013 MBPR? All hardware working nicely?

Apple's Boot Camp drivers tend to be quite good. Also, Windows generally feels snappier than OSX on the same hardware.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by Elizer0x0309 »

Any serious developer worth his salt is not going to put up with the utter shit the new MB(P) are.

I know they're catering to "media" types but for any engineer who also happens to be a 10x and well rounded, doing art, music and other fields will feel constrained.

Apple has left the golden middle ground a long time ago and is going after the "media" types only. News flash: the margins in those youtubers-sectors are very low, hence the spending will dry sooner rather then later.

I've been using the MBP pro circa 2012 and upgrading/hacking the hardware.

It's aging gracefully and next laptop will be a non-mbp which can run MacOs through VM. Price parity allows much more horsepower and modularity.

New MBP, pretty but objectively silly.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by teilo »

mikeash wrote: post #118
teilo wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have an existing Thunderbolt dock, you can use the 3-to-2 adapter, and just plug the DisplayPort monitor into the other Thunderbolt port on the dock. I do not know why this works, but it does.

Adding an extra adapter to the chain makes it work? That's crazy!

Same thing was true of the Thunderbolt Display.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by teilo »

taurath wrote: post #105
teilo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As to 3: the reason is cost. If you are using a cable with your power adapter, you are only using it for charging. To use a USB-C 3.1 cable for that is wasteful because it costs double what the charging/USB2 cable alone would cost. And yeah, it is going to confuse a lot of people.

Its a $2500 laptop. Apple should ship the cable.

They could do that, and then listen to a different group of people whining about why they have to pay $30 for a cable that is only ever going to be used for power.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by Lio »

Veen wrote: post #36
Tom1971 wrote: post #8

While, over time, a lot of today's annoyances with the new Macabook's will fade away, the lack of ESC key is a deal breaker for me. I tried it at the Apple Store and it's pretty much unusable. (It had the seen issue as the writer, apparently relying on the physical click to know whether or not I had pressed it. In addition, I also mistyped it a lot. Maybe hack to replace the whole touch bar as one single ESC key will…

> I've been told to remap the ESC to CAPS LOCK to vim usage, but I seem to be one of a rare breed who uses the latter the way it was intended to be, so that's a no go for me. Not really relevant, but when Vi was originally developed, the escape key was in a more convenient location — right where the tab key is now. It was never intended for users to have to reach that far to hit such an essential key. https://en.wiki…

> Edit: also, Control-c and control-[ do the same thing.

They're not actually the same. C-[ is the same as Esc but C-c is not.

Using C-c to leave Insert mode won't trigger InsertLeave.

If you select a vertical visual block and insert a comma at the end of each line E.g. C-v}$A, Using Esc or C-[ to leave insert mode will insert the comma at the end of every line in the paragraph but using C-c will only insert after the first line.

Also if you get used then to using C-c in Vim then you'll potentially run into issues if you try to use it in other Vi places e.g. anything that uses readline or your shell.

IMHO C-[ is a much better solution for these reasons.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by Freestyler_3 »

otterley wrote: post #9

We bought a 15" 2016 Macbook Pro ("Retina" is redundant; there are no 2016 MBPs that lack a Retina display.) We also bought a LG 27UD88-W monitor to go with it. (It's one of the few that has a USB-C input.) I have to say, I'm really impressed by the single-cable solution. The monitor charges the laptop (57W maximum, which is less than the Apple charger, but "good enough"), and the laptop sends both video and USB peri…

What do you think the effect of constant charging will be on battery life in the long term?

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by tvararu »

Alex3917 wrote: post #62
otterley wrote: post #9

We bought a 15" 2016 Macbook Pro ("Retina" is redundant; there are no 2016 MBPs that lack a Retina display.) We also bought a LG 27UD88-W monitor to go with it. (It's one of the few that has a USB-C input.) I have to say, I'm really impressed by the single-cable solution. The monitor charges the laptop (57W maximum, which is less than the Apple charger, but "good enough"), and the laptop sends both video and USB peri…

What happens if you accidentally plug in your charging cable when it's already being charged from the monitor?

Nothing. You can plug in four chargers, one in every port, and it will only draw power from one.
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