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Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

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Post by tjpaudio »

relaytheurgency wrote: post #120
tjpaudio wrote: post #83

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when places like REI use the term ultralight, it means an entirely different thing than how an experienced backpacker thinks of the word. To an experienced backpacker, rei (or any chain) does not carry ultralight gear. There is an entire market of specialty gear makers making true ultralight gear and none of it is in retail brick and mortar.

I use this as an ultralight pack: https://www.rei.com/product/892074/rei-flash-18-pack

Too small for backpacking, unless you are one of those bivy sack people with a matching $500 ul sleeping bag.

Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

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Post by tjpaudio »

nether wrote: post #102
tjpaudio wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when places like REI use the term ultralight, it means an entirely different thing than how an experienced backpacker thinks of the word. To an experienced backpacker, rei (or any chain) does not carry ultralight gear. There is an entire market of specialty gear makers making true ultralight gear and none of it is in retail brick and mortar.

Is there a non-arbitrary definition of ultralight? It seems yesterday's "ultralight" is tomorrow's "lightweight" gear.

Nope, nothing non-arbitrary. By my standards, you know something is ultralight if you had to specifically seek it out. Usually the big brands that appear in outdoor stores don't make UL gear because the materials being used are too fragile and it would cause a warranty nightmare scenario. A real ultralight pack requires care, taking note of the roughness of the surface you set it down on, etc.

Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

#123

Post by relaytheurgency »

tjpaudio wrote: post #121
relaytheurgency wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use this as an ultralight pack: https://www.rei.com/product/892074/rei-flash-18-pack

Too small for backpacking, unless you are one of those bivy sack people with a matching $500 ul sleeping bag.

Yes I agree, sorry I thought people were just talking about a light pack. By that measurement, the Ikea bag is in a similar situation. It doesn't look much larger, maybe 22L?

Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

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Post by tjpaudio »

relaytheurgency wrote: post #123
tjpaudio wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too small for backpacking, unless you are one of those bivy sack people with a matching $500 ul sleeping bag.

Yes I agree, sorry I thought people were just talking about a light pack. By that measurement, the Ikea bag is in a similar situation. It doesn't look much larger, maybe 22L?

I think its more like 30; look at the picture with the full stuff sacks. those are at least 7L stuff sacks, there are two of them, and theres room for 2 more of the same size. I backpack with a 32 liter and the interior volume looks comparable.

Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

#125

Post by CmdrSprinkles »

morganvachon wrote: post #115
CmdrSprinkles wrote: post #103

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Are we really at the ad hominem stage of things? Over discussions of the suitability of a sewn together plastic bag on a 3-day hike?

It wasn't a personal attack and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I'm just saying that you seem to be extremely interested in his welfare, given how much you keep repeating the same "facts" about why his bag is so inferior to a commercial offering, despite that it's clearly just a hobby project. Your fervor on this subject is staggering, that's all.

How is backing up an argument and explaining limitations when questioned "fervor"?

I might as well accuse you of being obsessed with calling me obsessed because you bothered to reply.

When did we reach the point as a society where actually elaborating on a point and responding to someone is "fervor" and "obsession"?

Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

#126

Post by CmdrSprinkles »

awesomerobot wrote: post #85
CmdrSprinkles wrote: post #65

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DIY stuff is cool and this project definitely is. Just understand the limitations of it and use it in situations where it is safe and logical to do so.

I feel like that's inherit to the term "Do it yourself" and I'm not sure why people feel like they need to explain it every time someone has a DIY project.

Because it is worth discussing what is and isn't good about something? Just blindly saying "cool beans" isn't really a fun discussion at all. And if a topic wasn't meant to be discussed, it shouldn't have been posted to a message board.

Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

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Post by morganvachon »

CmdrSprinkles wrote: post #125
morganvachon wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't a personal attack and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I'm just saying that you seem to be extremely interested in his welfare, given how much you keep repeating the same "facts" about why his bag is so inferior to a commercial offering, despite that it's clearly just a hobby project. Your fervor on this subject is staggering, that's all.

How is backing up an argument and explaining limitations when questioned "fervor"? I might as well accuse you of being obsessed with calling me obsessed because you bothered to reply. When did we reach the point as a society where actually elaborating on a point and responding to someone is "fervor" and "obsession"?

> I might as well accuse you of being obsessed with calling me obsessed because you bothered to reply.

Fair enough. I just found it odd that you're repeating yourself to every single person who replied to you. Or maybe I'm the odd one for noticing? That's a possibility too.

Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

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Post by slackstation »

dpark wrote: post #71
riskable wrote: post #21

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I came here to say this... Those FRAKTA bags ( http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/17228340/ ) are 100% polypropylene (thin strands, even). Polypropylene breaks down under ultraviolet light. The fact that the weave of the cloth is made from fine strands of polypropylene means that it will break down very quickly in the sun. There's a "fix" though that should be good enough for a camping trip or two! Coat the b…

Making a cheap bag into a greasy, sticky cheap bag doesn't seem like a net gain.

Cheap? You can buy one from this guy for only $230 (!)

Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

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Post by Poiesis »

Freak_NL wrote: post #41
riskable wrote: post #21

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I came here to say this... Those FRAKTA bags ( http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/17228340/ ) are 100% polypropylene (thin strands, even). Polypropylene breaks down under ultraviolet light. The fact that the weave of the cloth is made from fine strands of polypropylene means that it will break down very quickly in the sun. There's a "fix" though that should be good enough for a camping trip or two! Coat the b…

I am positively surprised to learn that a product called 'Butt Paste' exists. Still seems that economically speaking it might be cheaper to create such a backpack from a more suitable cloth instead.

It exists, and it is wonderful. Hands down the best stuff for diaper rash I've ever used.

Re: Ultralight IKEA-Bag Backpack

#130

Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

CmdrSprinkles wrote: post #126
awesomerobot wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like that's inherit to the term "Do it yourself" and I'm not sure why people feel like they need to explain it every time someone has a DIY project.

Because it is worth discussing what is and isn't good about something? Just blindly saying "cool beans" isn't really a fun discussion at all. And if a topic wasn't meant to be discussed, it shouldn't have been posted to a message board.

There is definitely some unnecessary negativity though.

Some comments often miss the problem the inventor was trying to solve when they pick holes.

The most useful criticisms was the comment about the material degrading in sunlight because of uv. Useful thing to know.

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