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Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by slededit »

LinuxBender wrote: post #8
brink wrote: post #6

On a related note; I can't even use NVidia's "Geforce Experience" any more without logging in. Thanks for that, NVidia. Just what I wanted; a driver tool that forces me to log in.

I blocked their telemetry and not I can't even update my drivers. Not through windows update, nor through their installer. It hangs trying to talk back to them. No harm, no foul, probably time to give AMD cards a chance. Variety is the spice of life and the spice must flow.

On my last box I found the AMD drivers were injecting a DLL into almost every process - including the brand new program I was in the process of developing.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by nhaehnle »

valarauca1 wrote: post #78
greydius wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nouveau has no CUDA support, unfortunately.

CUDA is proprietary to Nvidia. CUDA only exists because Nvidia is attempting to pretend OpenCL, Vulkan, and DX12 don't exist [1]. These require hardware scheduling on the GPU to switch shaders. Rather then dedicated X amount of chip hardware to Y shader for Z ms. It should be noted for GPGPU compute Nvidia is not the correct choice. AMD RX 480 has 5.8TFLOPS @$200 ($37/TFLOP) vs Nvidia GTX1080 8.9TFLOPS @$600 ($67/TFL…

It's worth pointing out that ROCm is basically AMD's answer to CUDA. Similar programming model and everything.

Let's hope it gets picked up by machine learning frameworks etc., because this market badly needs the competition, as your comparison of per-dollar raw performance numbers shows.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by LordDragonfang »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #76
dogma1138 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't bothered about security or privacy, they just cannot be bothered. Giving even the slightest incentive to send data brings those numbers up extensively even if what you get is meaningless. Basically humans need a reason to tick a box. This is why this is under GFE which gives you value added services.

>People aren't bothered about security or privacy, they just cannot be bothered. Says who? You? Facebook? Microsoft? Google? You don't see the inherent conflict of benefiting from that position and declaring it, unilaterally, it to be so? How many people do you think would be comfortable, and explicitly approve the kinds of "opt out" data collection that goes on, if you gave them the true extent of how that data can…

> Says who? You? Facebook? Microsoft? Google?

I think you just answered your own question. "Says" the plurality or even majority of the human population who use services from the companies you just listed, despite constantly being under scrutiny for privacy concerns.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by michaelt »

random_rr wrote: post #62
brink wrote: post #6

On a related note; I can't even use NVidia's "Geforce Experience" any more without logging in. Thanks for that, NVidia. Just what I wanted; a driver tool that forces me to log in.

Holy moly, I thought that this post was a joke for sure - and then I checked out GeForce Experience. Uninstalled. Never to be reinstalled. AMD will be my next card. Thanks nVidia for letting me know what you think of me :)

My employer took took a shipment of fifteen Dell computers a few months ago - with ATI Radeon HD 8570 graphics cards (3 years old, with DP 1.2 and 4k support so not obsolete by any means, and certified for Ubuntu 14.04 [1])

Then Ubuntu 16.04 comes out, and guess what? No fglrx driver support any more [2] and users report the open source drivers use about a core and a half worth of CPU, slowing down their entire machines. Apparently our only options are to buy new cards or stay on 14.04 indefinitely.

Meanwhile, I had an nVidia card and I was able to upgrade to 16.04 with no problems at all.

This week you might have resolved not to buy from nVidia - but in the same week I've resolved not to buy from ATI.

[1] https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201302-12679/ [2] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/ubuntu-drops-amd-catalyst...

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by Figs »

michaelt wrote: post #124
random_rr wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy moly, I thought that this post was a joke for sure - and then I checked out GeForce Experience. Uninstalled. Never to be reinstalled. AMD will be my next card. Thanks nVidia for letting me know what you think of me :)

My employer took took a shipment of fifteen Dell computers a few months ago - with ATI Radeon HD 8570 graphics cards (3 years old, with DP 1.2 and 4k support so not obsolete by any means, and certified for Ubuntu 14.04 [1]) Then Ubuntu 16.04 comes out, and guess what? No fglrx driver support any more [2] and users report the open source drivers use about a core and a half worth of CPU, slowing down their entire machi…

14.04 just switched to the 16.04 graphics stack a couple months back -- do your drivers still work after that update?

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by voltagex_ »

andromeduck wrote: post #102
Karunamon wrote: post #100

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anything he cares about . Windows has built in game capture, and I know how to adjust settings on my games myself. The "experience" app is just superfluous bullshit.

windows has automatic driver updates too so... why not just skip it alltogether

The drivers Windows uses are a fair bit older. Occasionally you really do need the latest drivers for a game

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by Karunamon »

blub wrote: post #114
Karunamon wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When using "people" in aggregate, this is a completely correct statement . It's why, for example, HN throws a fit[1] the moment a developer goes so far as to add anonymous google analytics to a package manager [2] even when that data couldn't possibly be used to harm them or track them in any way. If you make $thing opt in, most people will not do $thing, regardless of what $thing is. Defaults matter. [1]: https://ne…

Google analytics. Anonymous. Couldn't possibly be used to track them. You've either missed the last decade of privacy-related discussions or you're playing for team spyware yourself. Companies like Google have billions, lawyers lobbyists, sociologists and every bloody specialist working for them to suck all information out of everybody and there's always some clueless person jumping to their defense with some pointle…

Or, I don't agree with this absurd definition of privacy that the tech sector has gotten itself enamored with, but okay, we'll go with the accusations of being a shill.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by voltagex_ »

lsmarigo wrote: post #60
eswat wrote: post #35

Maybe I haven’t looked hard enough, but I’m surprised this and the forced login for GeForce Experience didn’t make a bigger wave amongst gamers, who’ve historically been very vocal about questionable decisions that provide far more value to the business than to the gamers.

historically been very vocal about questionable decisions that provide far more value to the business than to the gamers. Maybe true historically - but in recent years publishers have figured out a formula to subvert criticism (review embargos, sponsored reviews, reddit astroturfing). There's no action after the complaining, it's all bark, they still buy the game, little bit of heat on reddit/twitter but then you sti…

The Division has had a major overhaul though - partially in response to the criticism.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by voltagex_ »

shostack wrote: post #74
alkonaut wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually just download and install the latest driver with regular intervals. I don't choose to install/use GeForce Experience, and now that it requires login I certainly won't. Why would I want to use this Exprience thing anyway? It's crapware, right? As for telemetry - as long as software only sends reasonable things (feature usage etc) and uses reasonable bandwidth, I'm completely fine. I honestly don't even mind…

The problem is you'll never fully know what info they collect and send, and who might have access to it. It is equivalent to installing spyware.

Is anyone going to packet capture it and find out?

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by rocqua »

ronjouch wrote: post #16
brink wrote: post #6

On a related note; I can't even use NVidia's "Geforce Experience" any more without logging in. Thanks for that, NVidia. Just what I wanted; a driver tool that forces me to log in.

So annoying, yes. I since uninstalled GeForce Experience and replaced update notifications (the only feature I was using) with this ugly batch script. Careful, it's ugly! Botched stackoverflow-oriented batch brogramming! But it works for me! Feel free to reuse and improve :) @ECHO OFF setLocal EnableDelayedExpansion rem nvup.bat, a quick & dirty driver downloader since GeForce Experience requires a login. rem In a fo…

Sadly, that doesn't allow use of shadowplay.

There are some older versions of nvidea experience floating around that still work with shadowplay without the login.

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