Apple, this time you made a mistake • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by falcolas » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:55 PM UTC

AndrewStephens wrote: post #65

What a whiney, content-free blog post. The author complains about removing the function keys, MagSafe, HDMI, SD Card and the escape key but doesn't give any examples of how they used those in the past or how those features' absence will cripple their workflow. Here are my thoughts: Removing the function keys and replacing them with the touch bar is a step up. The function keys have been annoyingly inconsistent on mac…

> The addition of the fingerprint scanner alone is a win

I think security minded folks in IT are not going to be thrilled with these. A fingerprint being an identifier, not a authenticator and all that.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by extra88 » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:57 PM UTC

AndrewStephens wrote: post #80

santaclaus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The addition of the fingerprint scanner alone is a win 1Password is going to rock on this machine.

Even logging on is going rock on this machine if it works as well as the iPhone Touch Id (I assume it is exactly the same device)

They said it was a second gen. Touch ID and it has the same sapphire surface as the iPhone's so I expect it's the same as the 6s & 7.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by LnxPrgr3 » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:59 PM UTC

AndrewStephens wrote: post #65

What a whiney, content-free blog post. The author complains about removing the function keys, MagSafe, HDMI, SD Card and the escape key but doesn't give any examples of how they used those in the past or how those features' absence will cripple their workflow. Here are my thoughts: Removing the function keys and replacing them with the touch bar is a step up. The function keys have been annoyingly inconsistent on mac…

> SD Card readers are also not used much these days. Buy a $10 adaptor if you need it.

Photographers. Photographers were still using that.

You know what my mid 2009 MBP can still do? Pull images from my DSLR while charging while plugged into a wired network, transferring them to an external hard drive under the command of an external mouse and keyboard, using an external display. No daisy chaining required, and the cabling is only a minor disaster!

(If I bought a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, I'd be using zero USB ports for any of this. External disk is Firewire.)

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by JoelBennett » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 9:01 PM UTC

Do we know why they removed the MagSafe power cord?

I always thought it was a smart design. It seems kind of silly to remove it.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 9:03 PM UTC

0x0 wrote: post #19

pavlov wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple sells a USB-C to Lightning cable, so you don't need a dongle to connect an iPhone. The rest of your points stand though.

For €5000 you can't connect your state-of-the-art iPhone to your state-of-the-art Mac out of the box. You have to pay extra, and you have to carry around an awkward dongle adapter and hope you don't forget it! Fucking lol.

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Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by grzm » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 9:04 PM UTC

JoelBennett wrote: post #124

Do we know why they removed the MagSafe power cord? I always thought it was a smart design. It seems kind of silly to remove it.

Tradeoff between the break-away design for a single-purpose port and the multiple multi-purpose ThunderBolt 3 ports.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by belovedeagle » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 9:08 PM UTC

reustle wrote: post #116

TeMPOraL wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The addition of the fingerprint scanner alone is a win Interesting. Every other laptop has one these days, but I haven't really seen people using it much. It seems more like a gimmick. Fingerprint scanner on a phone makes more sense, because it lets you to unlock it almost as quickly as if you didn't have any lockscreen security, which is a big convenience.

> It seems more like a gimmick. Don't you use a password manager? Aren't you tired of constantly typing your master password in to unlock your keys?

Because having your password manager unencrypted (so that biometrics can "unlock" it) is a great idea.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by Mithaldu » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 9:08 PM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #24

"I liked your products. You changed things. I'm stating as a fact they're worse without providing any evidence or opinions to back that up." This is a low quality post.

> This is a low quality post.

Good demonstration.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by masklinn » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 9:10 PM UTC

jakebasile wrote: post #111

Bud wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet forwards-compatible with practically all USB devices that will be made going forward. In other words, they did what you must do in order to move forward to a new, superior standard which gives 40 Gbps performance plus power in AND out on all 4 ports.

I don't need 40Gbps to run my mouse, and I shouldn't have to spend more money on an already egregiously overpriced machine to get an adapter. I don't want another adapter to output to my monitor. I don't want another adapter to connect to ethernet. USB C doesn't need to be all or nothing. They could include 2 USB C and 2 USB A and solve half of these problems. Throw in a MiniDisplayPort or an HDMI and we're set.

> I don't want another adapter to connect to ethernet.

You're about 4 years too late there.

> USB C doesn't need to be all or nothing.

It has to be if your ultimate goal is for it to become universal eventually. As long as legacy interfaces are available accessory manufacturers have little incentive to build type C devices as they can keep plugging away without, so they won't.

> They could include 2 USB C and 2 USB A and solve half of these problems. Throw in a MiniDisplayPort or an HDMI and we're set.

You're set, and they have to support these interfaces they don't want forever. Because don't be mistaken, that's what their endgame is, that's what Apple has been looking for since they removed the floppy drive and started moving "slow" IO to USB back in 1998.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by extra88 » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 9:13 PM UTC

ch4s3 wrote: post #6

I'm pretty ambivalent about everything but the usb ports. I get they its an overloaded standard and probably needs a replacement, but its a lot to give up in the name of progress...

That's what people said when the very first iMac replaced ADB and Mini-DIN8 with USB ports. This isn't even exactly replacing the USB standard, just the connector type. USB1/2/3 devices will still work, you just need a Type-A to Type-C adapter; much simpler than, say, Thunderbolt to FireWire. The best outcome will be a "rip off the Band-Aid" approach with everyone else adopting USB Type-C (or Thunderbolt 3) as quickly as possible.