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Re: IRC v3

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Post by [deleted] »

eikenberry wrote: post #95
xir78 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also not being able to see or search chat history was a deal breaker for IRC. It's like the days before answering machines...

Do you mean searching the history of when you weren't online? As every client I know of can keep a history of your sessions.

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Re: IRC v3

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Post by xir78 »

eikenberry wrote: post #95
xir78 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also not being able to see or search chat history was a deal breaker for IRC. It's like the days before answering machines...

Do you mean searching the history of when you weren't online? As every client I know of can keep a history of your sessions.

Right, when not online.

Re: IRC v3

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Post by bborud »

I ran an IRCnet server for 15 years or so and when the PSU crapped out I decided 15 years would be enough.

If I were to give one piece of advice: forget IRC. If you want to make a free, large scale chat system, just forget you ever saw IRC. There are no solutions in that neighborhood.

Re: IRC v3

#124

Post by nocarrier »

vardump wrote: post #100
nocarrier wrote: post #8

Why isn't encryption baked in by default? It's optional from what I can tell. I don't know how you can design a new protocol and not include encryption.

> ...a new protocol and... IRC was new in 1988. It's 28 years old protocol now.

I read IRC v3 and assumed they were making major changes to the wire by bumping the major version, which is why I said what I said. I've been using IRC for 24 years but haven't implemented it before, maybe I'll do that now so I can have a better idea of what I'm talking about.

Re: IRC v3

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Post by spike021 »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #79
k__ wrote: post #76

I used IRC for over 10 years, but after using Slack for 1 it just felt outdated to me. Offline messages and simulatnous logins from multiple places are just two features I was missing in IRC and didn't even know till I had them, haha. But yeah, IRC networks just worked as message broker and not as databases, so I never thought about it.

I use ZNC, so logging in from multiple places works well.

I honestly just run a raspberry pi that has Weechat running all the time in a tmux session. So I just SSH whenever I need from wherever, pretty much (with obvious security settings configured).

It works really well and is a cheap solution.

Re: IRC v3

#126

Post by nocarrier »

ChoHag wrote: post #51
mtgx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly what I wanted to say. Why even bother if encryption is not included by default in the new protocol?

Encryption is not a panacea. It's not a magic button that makes everything it touches "Secure!".

Indeed, but there is something to be said for sane defaults--look at the thread on HN a few weeks ago about SSH cipher defaults. Yes, TLS and the CA ecosystem has its faults, but my stance is that any chat protocol should be using auth and encryption, especially group chat protocols like IRC. I'm less upset now after seeing that the proposed spec for IRC 3.3 includes something similar to HSTS.

Re: IRC v3

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Post by bastawhiz »

dijit wrote: post #52
forgotpwtomain wrote: post #13

I second a comment made below regarding https://matrix.org/ . I've used IRC for years and still use it almost daily - but come on Mosh + tmux + ec2 just to have permanent chat history? I seriously can't advocate this crap to anyone in 2016. It's too little, too late.

There's irccloud for that, or if you want to host yourself shout-IRC is really good.

Honestly, if I need to use a third party service like irccloud, isn't the benefit of IRC lost at that point? Why use irccloud when I can just use Matrix or Slack?

Re: IRC v3

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Post by TeMPOraL »

agentdrtran wrote: post #85
DiabloD3 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use ZNC, so logging in from multiple places works well.

But now you have to run a ZNC server as well - it's a lot more work for a very simple feature.

It's not "very simple" - it's just that with Slack, someone else is running ZNC for you.

Chat apps don't magically "just work" - either you run your own infrastructure, or use someone else's.

Re: IRC v3

#129

Post by unixhero »

Unrealircd is imcredible, as far as irc servers go. I ran it with 300 concurrent users at a local LAN and was able to do a lot of excitimg things like load balancing between servers other cool things, already back in 2001.

Re: IRC v3

#130

Post by grizzles »

majewsky wrote: post #112
grizzles wrote: post #108

To fix irc, the best thing they could do would be to add first class support for js and websockets.

I literally can't tell if this is satire.

It's not, but your comment made me smile.

You seem to feel differently. Go ahead, tell me why it shouldn't be the case.

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