The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos • Hacker News Board

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by ptaipale » Sat, Oct 08, 2016, 11:43 AM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #68

ptaipale wrote: post #62

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That was past; then came the deal to an armistice to end the Vietnam War (though then after the armistice NVA and VC continued the war and South Vietnam collapsed). The point of that prize was not that there had been war, it was that the parties had signed to end hostilities. In 2009, the peace prize really was quite strange in my opinion: Obama had achieved rather little except winning an election campaign (becoming…

Kissinger was directly and personally responsible for lengthening and intensifying the conflict. Giving him credit for ending it later on seems odd. I'm a big Obama fan, but I'm with you on the 2009 prize.

There are other examples where the Nobel prize has been given to someone who previously intensified the conflict, but then worked for peace. Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat in 1978, for instance.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by javpaw » Sat, Oct 08, 2016, 8:16 PM UTC

simonmd wrote: post #118

javpaw wrote: post #97

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What about this in general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_peace_process And this particular case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_McGuinness

Not directly comparable for two important reasons: The Good Friday Agreement was signed before the Rome Statutes on War Crimes came into effect (in no small part as a response to similar "blank-slate" deals in the 80's and early 90's). That means that signatory countries are bound by international law to prosecute and punish war crimes and crimes against humanity committed after their signing, proportionally to the s…

Stop overfitting.

You asked for an example and I gave it to you a valid one. McGuinness was an IRA leader and IRA committed many kind of crimes; there are more ex-IRA leaders that are now in the civil life.

If I give you another example you will discard it for some random reason, so this discussion makes no sense.

On the other hand, if you see the signed peace treaties in the region, and in the world, you'll notice that these have generally gone well.

Bye.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by ionised » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 9:02 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #91

ionised wrote: post #57

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Plenty of Nazi scientists and war criminals were given amnesty in the US after the war in exchange for their knowledge.

> Plenty of Nazi scientists and war criminals were given amnesty in the US Let me remind you that ALL the Allies war criminals were also basically given amnesty everywhere, just because they were victors. if you think that's fair, well that's your call.

I wasn't justifying it.

I don't think it was right.